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[Bananiot]

Piratis, I seriously question whether you are a democratic person because you gave me the opportunity to do so. Let me remind you.

1. Did you raise your voice to complain when Papadopoulos called 100 000 Greek Cypriots that voted yes in the referdum traitors? Not only you did not but you defended the culprit claiming that his "nainaikoi" call meant something else, other than traitor. The fact that you ignore history is not an excuse.

2. Did you raise your voice to complain when Papadopoulos declared that people were paid big money to sell their country, without ever proving his claims? Of course not, your kind of democrats believe that everyone is guilty until proved otherwise.

3. Did you raise your voice to complain when Papadopoulos said that a Greek Newspaper which he never liked spoke Turkish in Greek? Of course you did not. Youn applauded your fascist master.

4. Did you raise your voice to complain when Papadopoulos accused those that had a different opinion to his on the Cyprus issue that they spend time at the court of Xerxes? Do you understand what this means?

5. Did you raise your voice to complain when Papadopoulos made his best to turn Sweden against us by trying in a grossly undeplomatic way to turn the Prime Minister against the foreign Minister? Of course you do, but all you did at the time was try to excuse him.

6. Did you raise your voice to complain when Papadopoulos was pushing us down the drain as a country with his numerous lies? Remember the embarasment with the Polish President when for the first time in history the UN issued a statement to correct a state President? Do you remember his interview in "Al Khaleez" where he claimed that from 1964 to 1974 not a single Turkish Cypriot was killed? How come a democratic person like yourself kept quite?

For all those reasons and many more Piratis, you have waived your right to consider yourself a democratic person. Regarding the Archbishop, if you were frank enough you would admit that you support him because you share his views on the Cyprob. There is nothing wrong with this and further, I can assure you that your views are in full unison with those of the EVROKO party (Koutsou, Sillouris etc), the unrependant coupists and all the reactionary forces in Cyprus.

[alekcen]

I couldnt agree more. For some people in the forum, democracy means to agree with them all the time, if u express an opposite view, then u are a traitor or crazy, etc.

[Piratis]

Bananiot apparently doesn't know that freedom of speech is an integral part of democracy. Or rather he things that only him and his similars have this right, and nobody else.

Bananiot was accusing Papadopolos and many others in almost every one of his posts, and he continues doing so even today! His buddies like Papapetrou, and several other nobodies I forget their names, where day and night on TV and radio accusing Papadopoulos with the grossest of lies. And yet he has the audacity to expect that those he accuses should not be allowed to talk back!

So according to Bananiot a "democrat" is anybody that agrees with him, and everybody that doesn't is not!

No mate, in democracy everybody has their freedom of speech either you agree with them or not. What you do not have the right to do in a democracy is to dissolve democracy, or violate the human and democratic rights of others.

Regarding the Archbishop I can agree with him in several things that he says about the Cyprus Problem. Similarly I can disagree with him on other issues, and on most other issues I disagree with him.

On the other hand you do not dare to disagree with those that you blindly follow. No matter what the AngloAmericans say you accept it. You are their sheep, and you do not have your own mind. You don't need to think about anything because your masters give you just one option, so you just take that option and you never use your own brain to judge things.

For some people in the forum, democracy means to agree with them all the time, if u express an opposite view, then u are a traitor or crazy, etc.

You and Bananiot are confused people. Nobody asked from you not to express your opinion, and doing so is your democratic right. What you do not have the right is to dissolve democracy and violate the human rights of others. Can somebody that wants the dissolution of democracy be considered a democrat?

[michalis5354]

Everyone has the right to express his point of view without being terorised or being labeled a Traitor or a Turk this is what Democracy means piratis and some have many times in the past labeled someone a Turk or a traior because he does not agree .

Even the Church by saying that Christofias is moving towards the Turkish Position is like indirectly sayinghe he is a Traitor and he does not know what he is doing. Indirectly insulting him.

[Bananiot]

Well Piratis, you avoided to touch any of the points I listed but let me remind you that you called me a traitor at least 100 times just because you cannot stomach what I stand for. As I said, you have waived your right to talk about democracy. You would be just like Glitter giving a lecture on morals and ethics.

[Piratis]

The points you raised is the same crap you have been saying in almost all of your posts. Attacks against Papapadopoulos and nohting more. They have all been answered.

Papadopoulos didn't say that everybody that voted yes was a traitor. He was referring to specific people that day. That some people got paid to betray our country, that the "yes" campaign was sponsored by the AngloAmericans, and many other truths that Papadopoulos said is somehting I fully agree with and we all know is true, and you can not silence the truth Bananiot.

As I said, you have waived your right to talk about democracy.

Bananiot thinks he is Stalin or Hitler and that he can remove from us our right for democracy so that he can sell our country to the Turks. No Bananiot, you can't do that. You have no right to dissolve democracy and we are not going to let you do so.

You can continue saying whatever crap you want, that is your democratic right, but don't even think about dissolving democracy because that is not your right and the reaction of the democrats will be immediate and dynamic.

[Bananiot]

Of course you defend Papadopoulos but you resort to slogans in the absence of hard evidence to back up your claims. What Papadopoulos was doing during his five year tenure was to consolidate the status quo (remember the second best solution?) which, anyone with half an ounce of brain can tell you, it is the worst option.

If you cannot comprehend this, just ponder for a second at the forces on both sides of the divide that are "worrying" because we are moving towards negotiations. On the Turkish side you will find Denktash, the Grey Wolves and Volkan. On our side most of the worrying is done by Papadopoulos and his friends in EVROKO and the social fascists of EDEK (almost forgot the Archbishop). Does this tell you anything?

[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

As your motto says, in life there are no solution, only options. So some of us are worrying about opting for a dissoluton of the RoC and formation of a new, as yet undefined, entity.

You have lots to say about statements by Pap and the Archbishop but nothing re Erdogan's "we won without removing a single soldier or yielding an inch of territory". Unless you think that statement was not rejectionist or indicative of future actions.

What some of us are looking for in a solution is exclusion not only of Crete and the Hatay outcomes but also of the fate of Imvros and Tenedos. You sound like you already have the proof.Well, let us see it.

[Piratis]

Of course you defend Papadopoulos but you resort to slogans in the absence of hard evidence to back up your claims. What Papadopoulos was doing during his five year tenure was to consolidate the status quo (remember the second best solution?) which, anyone with half an ounce of brain can tell you, it is the worst option.

If you cannot comprehend this, just ponder for a second at the forces on both sides of the divide that are "worrying" because we are moving towards negotiations. On the Turkish side you will find Denktash, the Grey Wolves and Volkan. On our side most of the worrying is done by Papadopoulos and his friends in EVROKO and the social fascists of EDEK (almost forgot the Archbishop). Does this tell you anything?

What it tells me is that you traitors are so close to the Turkish position you have already satisfied half of the Turks. It also tells me that you hate every decent Cypriot who is not willing to give to the Turks 1/3rd of our island and also allow them to control the whole of it.

You are in fact very close to the position of Grey Wolves and Vokan. This can be since even from this forum, where you and the most extreme partitionists almost always agree and you differences are only on minor issues, if any.

The status quo is far from the worst option. The worst option is to give officially the north part of Cyprus to the Turks and also let them to control the whole of the island, which is what you want.

With the status quo the partition is illegal and the Turks suffer consequences because of this.

With the "solution" that you want, the north part of our country will be officially given to the Turks who will be able to keep it without suffering any consequences. They will also be able to control the whole of our island.

You are the one who hides behind slogans like "unification" and "solution" while in practice what you are trying to do is to officially partition the island, solve the problems of the Turks, and make our problem impossible to be solved since it would not be even recognized as a problem anymore. Something like the occupation of Kurdistan that nobody recognizes that such problem exists simply because Turks officially own that territory. That is what you are trying to do with north Cyprus as well.

[Oracle]

Piratis is the most sensible poster I have ever had the pleasure to read.

Bananiot is like a rubber ball, bouncing back impervious to reasoned logic, unfettered by his lack of logical argument.