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[Nikitas]

Piratis has a point and makes it very well.

[Nikitas]

The talks will be a test of statesmanship for the leaders of both sides. And the test is a simple one- in how far they are able to secure an independent Cyprus.

TCs have the thinnest of excuses in demanding a temporary Turkish military presence, for their much touted scurity. The GCs will then have a balancing demand for Greek military presence. Up to that point things are excusable. Seeking to approve any other foreign interests, like rights to carry out search and rescue, a compromise of participation in international organizations without prior approval by third countries, diminution of territorial waters and resource exploration rights etc, will prove that we are not dealing with statesmen but goddamn grocers. Bakalides!

We will see next month which applies in our case. Just remember that under Annan we were ready to accept a whole bunch of such humiliations.

[humanist]

Oracles love

Cypriots will always revolt against Turko-Ottoman shackles and slavery, as Piratis stated.

We are an EU member state and we will not be dictated to by Turkish Generals or Islamic AKP type parties that we have not elected.

We are left in a shamefully embarrassing position for the whole of Europe if they do not remove these un-EU like elements from Cyprus.

That is why Turkey will not allow us to bring the EU to the negotiating table, because that would prevent them blackmailing us into accepting their one-sided solutions..

It is time the EU exercised its full rights to join Christofias in these negotiations and offer some Might behind him, to stop the Barbaric Might of Turkey imposing its will on our beleaguered President.

Oracles love, what is the EU? They are a bunch of moronic masons who are willing to sell Cyprus to the Turks to make a buck. They can easily help immediately by imposing an econmoic embargo for occupying Cyprus I don't see them acting very fastly. Darls we are on our own on this one.

[Viewpoint]

Oracles love

Cypriots will always revolt against Turko-Ottoman shackles and slavery, as Piratis stated.

We are an EU member state and we will not be dictated to by Turkish Generals or Islamic AKP type parties that we have not elected.

We are left in a shamefully embarrassing position for the whole of Europe if they do not remove these un-EU like elements from Cyprus.

That is why Turkey will not allow us to bring the EU to the negotiating table, because that would prevent them blackmailing us into accepting their one-sided solutions..

It is time the EU exercised its full rights to join Christofias in these negotiations and offer some Might behind him, to stop the Barbaric Might of Turkey imposing its will on our beleaguered President.

Oracles love, what is the EU? They are a bunch of moronic masons who are willing to sell Cyprus to the Turks to make a buck. They can easily help immediately by imposing an econmoic embargo for occupying Cyprus I don't see them acting very fastly. Darls we are on our own on this one.

AT last someone who can see reality and does not live in a dream world the like the rest of the world the EU dont give a shit about the "RoC" or they would have acted years ago.

[humanist]

I agree with agreed partition ...... perhaps the independent committee deciding on this can take into consideration 55,000 TC's to 800,000 GC's and give land appropriate to their percentage. Lets do it people

[Oracle]

Oracles love

Cypriots will always revolt against Turko-Ottoman shackles and slavery, as Piratis stated.

We are an EU member state and we will not be dictated to by Turkish Generals or Islamic AKP type parties that we have not elected.

We are left in a shamefully embarrassing position for the whole of Europe if they do not remove these un-EU like elements from Cyprus.

That is why Turkey will not allow us to bring the EU to the negotiating table, because that would prevent them blackmailing us into accepting their one-sided solutions..

It is time the EU exercised its full rights to join Christofias in these negotiations and offer some Might behind him, to stop the Barbaric Might of Turkey imposing its will on our beleaguered President.

Oracles love, what is the EU? They are a bunch of moronic masons who are willing to sell Cyprus to the Turks to make a buck. They can easily help immediately by imposing an econmoic embargo for occupying Cyprus I don't see them acting very fastly. Darls we are on our own on this one.

Humanist my love ...

The Turkish Generals have insisted we do not bring the EU to the negotiating table .... and we have stupidly gone with that!

The Turkish Generals have insisted we cut ties with Greece ..... and we have stupidly done that.

Now think ...

When you want to subvert, enslave and hunt your prey to extinction, what is the first thing you should do? ... cut off all its escape routes!

That is what we have idiotically allowed Turkey to do to us!

.... They have isolated us from Greece and the EU .... our main allies. So now it can blackmail us and bully us and threaten us, into accepting its proposals.

The President needs help. There is no reason why he has to act alone.

He was voted in, in part, because of his strong EU ties.

So why the F*ck is he not using those connections, and why the heck did we join the EU if we are now not going to let it help us, and join in with the blooming negotiations?

(Sorry about the language, have had a day with my poshest friend and she swears like a trooper ).

[Raymanoff]

well done! church shouldn't even be allowed to mess with politics... shouldn't be allowed to make massive financial operations etc. Their status should be lowered to a NonProfitable Organisation/Charity alltho then they should charge VAT on wedding/funeral/baptism fees. If everything was done according to law...there would be Agios Nicholaos Church Ltd, Agia Varvara Ltd... or Limassol Churches Group of Companies. Then of course i would expect churches invest in other areas, be on CSE etc. Then with public influence there could be a Orthodox Party in the parliament and thats where Mr.GOLDENMOUTH could give his speaches... Thats the democracy!

[Oracle]

well done! church shouldn't even be allowed to mess with politics... shouldn't be allowed to make massive financial operations etc. Their status should be lowered to a NonProfitable Organisation/Charity alltho then they should charge VAT on wedding/funeral/baptism fees. If everything was done according to law...there would be Agios Nicholaos Church Ltd, Agia Varvara Ltd... or Limassol Churches Group of Companies. Then of course i would expect churches invest in other areas, be on CSE etc. Then with public influence there could be a Orthodox Party in the parliament and thats where Mr.GOLDENMOUTH could give his speaches... Thats the democracy!

Are we now going to ignore the truth because of the source?

Regardless of his persuasions, let us not turn a blind eye to what he said simply because he is a Christian.

We are more bigoted than he could ever be, if we chose to condemn him, and silence him, simply because he is a man of the Church!

[alekcen]

The truth? What is the truth? The church is expressing the same nationalist opinion that used to express for years.

Is about time to distinguish the church from politics. Yes they have the right as everyone to express their opinion but they can be given all this extreme freedom and time from the media to talk everyday , and act like they are above everyone. If church wants to talk politics , they should create a political party and stop using their religious position as a mean to do politics. Also we should all remember that the bishop had only 5% in the church elections ( from the number of the Christians who voted) and also that president Christofias was democratically elected by the 53%.
What am saying is that if the bishop wants to talk all the time to the media, so do i should be given that time, as everyone in this country, there is nothing special with him do be treated differently.

Again if they want to talk politics church should create a political party and do politics, until then they should focus on what they do better, business!!!!

[Oracle]

The truth? What is the truth? The church is expressing the same nationalist opinion that used to express for years.

Is about time to distinguish the church from politics. Yes they have the right as everyone to express their opinion but they can be given all this extreme freedom and time from the media to talk everyday , and act like they are above everyone. If church wants to talk politics , they should create a political party and stop using their religious position as a mean to do politics. Also we should all remember that the bishop had only 5% in the church elections ( from the number of the Christians who voted) and also that president Christofias was democratically elected by the 53%.
What am saying is that if the bishop wants to talk all the time to the media, so do i should be given that time, as everyone in this country, there is nothing special with him do be treated differently.

Again if they want to talk politics church should create a political party and do politics, until then they should focus on what they do better, business!!!!

He has gotten to the top of his profession, be it religion, fossil-hunting or star-gazing. He is therefore more likely to be of above average intelligence, ability, keenness and drive. So "average" people want to hear his views, without acting like bigots, and saying he does not deserve to be heard, because he also practices Christianity.

Maybe you are uncomfortable with meritocracy. What have you done to deserve to be heard above and beyond your small circle?