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[Bananiot]

Piratis, the majority of people (remember, you like majorities) gave him the mandate to deal with the Cyprus issue. Hopefully, there will be a different type of election soon, when we will be called to elect the leadership of the new, united Cyprus.

[Piratis]

Piratis, the majority of people (remember, you like majorities) gave him the mandate to deal with the Cyprus issue. Hopefully, there will be a different type of election soon, when we will be called to elect the leadership of the new, united Cyprus.

Yes, we gave him the mandate to deal with the Cyprus issue based on the promises that he gave, especially in the second round (since in the first round he only got 33% - which is not the majority of people) If what he will bring will not be what he promised then we will simply reject it.

When you say "different type of election", you mean different as in non democratic - one person one vote kind of election? So are you hoping to end democracy and make Christofias the last democratically elected president of Cyprus?

[Bananiot]

Piratis, do not talk about democracy, you do not know the meaning of the word. Only recently you thought that the truth is a matter of statistics. Probably you still think so thus, I remind you of your favourite line. What the majority says must be true and I call upon you to show some respect. But, I can understand your frustration and that of your fellow rejectionists (Chrysostomos, Koutsou, Papadopoulos etc). Now that there is a chance to solve our problem you are worried stiff and you are likely to come up with many different excuses in order to try to avert solution.

Like I said many times, those people who have suddenly remembered democracy are not legitimised to talk about human rights. Those people who kept quite when the human rights of our fellow countrymen were violated (some people became refugees three times in the space of 12 years) have waived their right to talk about democracy.

[Oracle]

Bananiot do yourself a favour and go and live with those people you love and respect, that were so hard done by that you self-flagellate with remorse daily.

Remove yourself from this Island, because you are not going to be happy when Democracy finally catches up with the Turks ....

Now you are telling us 12 years of inter-communal problems for "some people" is reason enough to uphold 200,000 GCs as permanent refugees in their own country.

[Piratis]

Piratis, do not talk about democracy, you do not know the meaning of the word. Only recently you thought that the truth is a matter of statistics. Probably you still think so thus, I remind you of your favourite line. What the majority says must be true and I call upon you to show some respect. But, I can understand your frustration and that of your fellow rejectionists (Chrysostomos, Koutsou, Papadopoulos etc). Now that there is a chance to solve our problem you are worried stiff and you are likely to come up with many different excuses in order to try to avert solution.

Like I said many times, those people who have suddenly remembered democracy are not legitimised to talk about human rights. Those people who kept quite when the human rights of our fellow countrymen were violated (some people became refugees three times in the space of 12 years) have waived their right to talk about democracy.

Bananiot, I know very well what democracy means and I was always saying the same thing.

I will quote what I said before in a reply of mine to Bir:

What you quoted above shows very correctly that no majority has the right to violate the human rights of any minority. This is something that protects not only ethnic minorities, but any minority which might fall victim of such violation. For example if say a proposal for the "solution" of the Cyprus problem includes violations of human rights, then such proposal would be undemocratic regardless of how many people vote for it, since no majority can decide that the human rights of others can be violated. Do you agree with this?

Bannaiot, if you want to learn what democracy means then go to this page:
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/w ... hatdm2.htm

Personally I never supported anything that violated the democratic principles. I have always supported that democracy means majority rule coupled with human and minority rights. This is why a true democracy is all we need as a guarantee for the protection of the TC minority. We will not accept the dissolution of democracy.

Regarding your Turkish propaganda position about "the innocent TCs should be rewarded and the evil GCs should be punished" I should remind you that it is the Cypriots who have suffered from the Turks not for 12 years but for 400 years, something that continues until today. So if somebody is guilty and somebody should be punished those should be the Turks, not us. I will not accept any punishment and if they try to impose on us some Ottoman kind of oppression again to punish us for daring to revolt and seek our freedom and self-determination on our own island, then be sure we will revolt and fight again. We will never accept to be the slaves of anybody.

The solution to the Cyprus problem is only one: Freedom to our island, democracy and human rights for all Cypriots and no racist descriminations.

[DT.]

The most funny thing was this:

The Archbishop criticized Christofias for his willingness to accept rotating presidency. Then Christofias in his reply said somehting in the lines of "I was elected with the votes of 53% of the people, not like you who was elected with the votes of only the 15% so shut up"

But doesn't Christofias notice the oxymoron? He is willing to accept rotating presidency that would allow somebody with just the 9.5% of the votes of the Cypriot people (probably even less than that since half of that or more could be settlers) to be a president of Cyprus, while somebody who has support of the 15% of the people is not even allowed to have an opinion according to Christofias!

If Christofias is willing to dissolve democracy and accept that somebody with just the support of 9.5% of the people can be the president of Cyprus, then he should spare us the "I was elected with the 53%" because this democracy that elected him is the one who is willing to dissolve. I wonder how Chsristofias would like it if the system was already like that and instead of him with his 53% the one who was elected as president was the Archibishop with his 15%.

good observation.

[humanist]

am affraid we will see another NO again ........ probably from both sides. Oh well one thing for sure no one is going anywhere yet

[Oracle]

Cypriots will always revolt against Turko-Ottoman shackles and slavery, as Piratis stated.

We are an EU member state and we will not be dictated to by Turkish Generals or Islamic AKP type parties that we have not elected.

We are left in a shamefully embarrassing position for the whole of Europe if they do not remove these un-EU like elements from Cyprus.

That is why Turkey will not allow us to bring the EU to the negotiating table, because that would prevent them blackmailing us into accepting their one-sided solutions..

It is time the EU exercised its full rights to join Christofias in these negotiations and offer some Might behind him, to stop the Barbaric Might of Turkey imposing its will on our beleaguered President.

[DT.]

Piratis, do not talk about democracy, you do not know the meaning of the word. Only recently you thought that the truth is a matter of statistics. Probably you still think so thus, I remind you of your favourite line. What the majority says must be true and I call upon you to show some respect. But, I can understand your frustration and that of your fellow rejectionists (Chrysostomos, Koutsou, Papadopoulos etc). Now that there is a chance to solve our problem you are worried stiff and you are likely to come up with many different excuses in order to try to avert solution.

Like I said many times, those people who have suddenly remembered democracy are not legitimised to talk about human rights. Those people who kept quite when the human rights of our fellow countrymen were violated (some people became refugees three times in the space of 12 years) have waived their right to talk about democracy.

HM Bananiot is now TELLING people who can talk of democracy and who can't.

[Oracle]

Yeah and he told to "Shut it!" yesterday ....

What a little fascist he is turning into (but then it is a common trait in teachers ... Sshhh he doesn't like us mentioning his job.)