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[Nikitas]

Whether the limit is 3, 6 or 12 miles, Greece by virtue of its ragged coast line, which is 16000 kilomeres will always have more sea territory in the Aegean than Turkey.

The Turks know this and their approach is to override all international rules and impose a straight line division of the Aegean from Evros down to Crete. This is total bullshit legally and shows the nature of Turkish thinking. It is echoed in that unique statement by Talat: the law (EU law he meant) favors the GCs so we must look for ways to go above the law. Some diplomat hey!

[DT.]

I remember this from my dissertation. As things stand now Greece has around 45-50% of the Aegean, and about 30% of it is International waters leaving the rest to Turkey. WIth the ingternationally accepted (and used by Turkey in the Black Sea) 12 mile limit the Aegean will be 70% Greek, 15% International and the remainder will be Turkish.

The figures are approximate but they are the ball park. I will dig out my dissertation for exact numbers.

[DT.]

Eimaste dyo, eimaste tris, eimaste xilioi dekatris ....

Pantheman, the worst Turk is in your mind. This is 2008, the world is changing fast and your kind remain steadfast in 1453. The biggest investors in Turkey are Greeks and Greek banks are doing great business in Turkey.

Bananiot , i bet u this Pentaman gets profit from the present condition in Cyprus . He is a contractor .... he makes houses ......

i tell you who ever screams nationalists slogans or sayings they are thieves or getting profits from the present situations

I have a fortune to gain from a solution halil. Most of my land is in Morphou and I hope to get compensation for my land on the seaside in Kyrenia in a solution. However, unlike Bananaiot this does not blind me and I conitnue in wanting the correct solution to be found and not just something that will endanger my kids in 10-15 years time. An unfair solution to any side especially the majority will result in tears and the Bananiots of this island will be the first I'll tell my kids to go and congratulate on another fine mess their generation has brought on us.

Safeguards in case of a very probable default by turkey on the agreements is not being nationalistic or fascist, it is being prudent. We are not gambling our tourist cash in a london casino but our entire island. The irresponsible manner in which the Bananiots here are blindly following anything thrown at them is shocking. Just because of the complex and animosity that they have felt grown inside them over the Papadopoulos years they are now "climaxing" in such an obcene way that I for one cannot even comprehend what their motives are anymore.

Mine are simple, I negotiate with Turkey defaulting in the back of my mind.

1) Continuation of the ROC and evolution into a federal state
2) Land needs to be equal to the population ratio
3) EU and USA gaurantees not Turkish or Greek
4) No foreign millitary in Cyprus

The administration is up for negotiation.

DT,
i don't trust the EU or US .... we have witnes them in Bosnia ,Irak and so on ....
i can except no armies in Cyprus option .but motherlands can have rights to protect their roots .
i can not agree with you continuation of the ROC . it was death at 63 .
we can have virgin birth of new federal republic of Cyprus ,which they are trying to negotiate on it .
i am agree with you about land equation at BBF system .

i never deny that people are not title to get compensation for their lands they can .Also i am saying it will start from 63 .from this TC's ,GC's ,Armenians ;Maronites will get what they are deserved .

for Bananiot ,what i understand from him , he wants workable solution in Cyprus , not like you understand him ,give it and get rid off it .
he also understand we can have a solution by talking and understanding each other .for him important is we must build up trust between each other . without trust what you are saying is nothing DT .

what is land DT ? it is only piece of ground . you can have a life without a ground but u can not have a easy life without trust and security .

many times you have witness how we can easily point out who is TC's or Turk from Turkey in the streets . why people are not bothering much about them because of security and trust DT.
when you go to bed you want sleep without fear DT.These are the differences .

People are complaining only economicaly ways of the those people but people are not complaning presence of the Turkish troops DT . For them security comes first than internal problems . these are the truths DT .

in the world no one likes the military minds . this is different my friend DT.

I belive after the solution the military effects on will go slowly and slowly after all we will have real democracy at the moment we have only cease fire conditions in Cyprus .You are luckier than us , you have world behind you for us it will take some more times but at the end we can achive it .

i don't trust the EU or US .... we have witnes them in Bosnia ,Irak and so on

1) Halil if you don't trust the EU and the US how much do you think we trust Turkey? We were at war with this country 30 years ago and they hold our homes. Why should we trust this aggressive power as a guarantor. A guarantor of what? That Turkey will always be involved in Cyprus?
You can;t negotiate until you show understanding to he other side's fears as well and demanding Turkish guarantees after what we went through in 74 is impossible. We wanted NO guarantee and no outside influence on the island, however understanding your arguments yet not agreeing with them has made us settle for a compromise of the EU and US guarantees. Isn;t that what you always talk about Halil? Compromise?

i can except no armies in Cyprus option .but motherlands can have rights to protect their roots

What rights to their roots? You commend Bananiot for his Cypriotness and yet in the same breath you require the presence of a foreign army?

i can not agree with you continuation of the ROC . it was death at 63 .
we can have virgin birth of new federal republic of Cyprus ,which they are trying to negotiate on it .

The ROC is a member of the ,CN, CE, CFSP, EBRD, EIB, EU, FAO, IAEA, IBRD, ICAO, ICC, ICCt, ITUC, IDA, IFAD, IFC, IHO,ILO, IMF, IMO, Interpol, IOC, IOM, IPU, ITU, MIGA, NAM, NSG, OPCW, OSCE, PCA, UN, UNCTAD, UNESCO, UNHCR, UNIDO, UPU, WCL, WCO, WFTU, WHO, WIPO, WMO, WToO, WTO. DO you suggest we re-apply to these organisations?

What could be your motive for the dissolution of a member state of the EU other than a possible partition may be on the cards in the future and this time you want to be on an equal footing with the GC's internationally?
If we're unifying in earnest then what is the point of a virgin state. Christofias has drawn a "red"line on this so this is not what they are negotiating Halil.