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[halil]

Eimaste dyo, eimaste tris, eimaste xilioi dekatris ....

Pantheman, the worst Turk is in your mind. This is 2008, the world is changing fast and your kind remain steadfast in 1453. The biggest investors in Turkey are Greeks and Greek banks are doing great business in Turkey.

Bananiot , i bet u this Pentaman gets profit from the present condition in Cyprus . He is a contractor .... he makes houses ......

i tell you who ever screams nationalists slogans or sayings they are thieves or getting profits from the present situations

[humanist]

Piratis

Solution to this Cyprus problem means for Cypriots to finally become free from those foreign rulers, and rule their own island in a democratic way like every other normal democratic country in the world. TCs in this democracy will be equal citizens with all their rights guaranteed, but not our governors who will run Cyprus on behalf of Turkey.

Your wasting your breath Piratis this is concept that some people just don't get. I totally agree with your statement. Despte the fact that I have come to accept that this is only a concept for Cypriots. As they are too narrow minded to understand it and see it for what it is.

[DT.]

Eimaste dyo, eimaste tris, eimaste xilioi dekatris ....

Pantheman, the worst Turk is in your mind. This is 2008, the world is changing fast and your kind remain steadfast in 1453. The biggest investors in Turkey are Greeks and Greek banks are doing great business in Turkey.

Bananiot , i bet u this Pentaman gets profit from the present condition in Cyprus . He is a contractor .... he makes houses ......

i tell you who ever screams nationalists slogans or sayings they are thieves or getting profits from the present situations

I have a fortune to gain from a solution halil. Most of my land is in Morphou and I hope to get compensation for my land on the seaside in Kyrenia in a solution. However, unlike Bananaiot this does not blind me and I conitnue in wanting the correct solution to be found and not just something that will endanger my kids in 10-15 years time. An unfair solution to any side especially the majority will result in tears and the Bananiots of this island will be the first I'll tell my kids to go and congratulate on another fine mess their generation has brought on us.

Safeguards in case of a very probable default by turkey on the agreements is not being nationalistic or fascist, it is being prudent. We are not gambling our tourist cash in a london casino but our entire island. The irresponsible manner in which the Bananiots here are blindly following anything thrown at them is shocking. Just because of the complex and animosity that they have felt grown inside them over the Papadopoulos years they are now "climaxing" in such an obcene way that I for one cannot even comprehend what their motives are anymore.

Mine are simple, I negotiate with Turkey defaulting in the back of my mind.

1) Continuation of the ROC and evolution into a federal state
2) Land needs to be equal to the population ratio
3) EU and USA gaurantees not Turkish or Greek
4) No foreign millitary in Cyprus

The administration is up for negotiation.

[halil]

Eimaste dyo, eimaste tris, eimaste xilioi dekatris ....

Pantheman, the worst Turk is in your mind. This is 2008, the world is changing fast and your kind remain steadfast in 1453. The biggest investors in Turkey are Greeks and Greek banks are doing great business in Turkey.

Bananiot , i bet u this Pentaman gets profit from the present condition in Cyprus . He is a contractor .... he makes houses ......

i tell you who ever screams nationalists slogans or sayings they are thieves or getting profits from the present situations

I have a fortune to gain from a solution halil. Most of my land is in Morphou and I hope to get compensation for my land on the seaside in Kyrenia in a solution. However, unlike Bananaiot this does not blind me and I conitnue in wanting the correct solution to be found and not just something that will endanger my kids in 10-15 years time. An unfair solution to any side especially the majority will result in tears and the Bananiots of this island will be the first I'll tell my kids to go and congratulate on another fine mess their generation has brought on us.

Safeguards in case of a very probable default by turkey on the agreements is not being nationalistic or fascist, it is being prudent. We are not gambling our tourist cash in a london casino but our entire island. The irresponsible manner in which the Bananiots here are blindly following anything thrown at them is shocking. Just because of the complex and animosity that they have felt grown inside them over the Papadopoulos years they are now "climaxing" in such an obcene way that I for one cannot even comprehend what their motives are anymore.

Mine are simple, I negotiate with Turkey defaulting in the back of my mind.

1) Continuation of the ROC and evolution into a federal state
2) Land needs to be equal to the population ratio
3) EU and USA gaurantees not Turkish or Greek
4) No foreign millitary in Cyprus

The administration is up for negotiation.

DT,
i don't trust the EU or US .... we have witnes them in Bosnia ,Irak and so on ....
i can except no armies in Cyprus option .but motherlands can have rights to protect their roots .
i can not agree with you continuation of the ROC . it was death at 63 .
we can have virgin birth of new federal republic of Cyprus ,which they are trying to negotiate on it .
i am agree with you about land equation at BBF system .

i never deny that people are not title to get compensation for their lands they can .Also i am saying it will start from 63 .from this TC's ,GC's ,Armenians ;Maronites will get what they are deserved .

for Bananiot ,what i understand from him , he wants workable solution in Cyprus , not like you understand him ,give it and get rid off it .
he also understand we can have a solution by talking and understanding each other .for him important is we must build up trust between each other . without trust what you are saying is nothing DT .

what is land DT ? it is only piece of ground . you can have a life without a ground but u can not have a easy life without trust and security .

many times you have witness how we can easily point out who is TC's or Turk from Turkey in the streets . why people are not bothering much about them because of security and trust DT.
when you go to bed you want sleep without fear DT.These are the differences .

People are complaining only economicaly ways of the those people but people are not complaning presence of the Turkish troops DT . For them security comes first than internal problems . these are the truths DT .

in the world no one likes the military minds . this is different my friend DT.

I belive after the solution the military effects on will go slowly and slowly after all we will have real democracy at the moment we have only cease fire conditions in Cyprus .You are luckier than us , you have world behind you for us it will take some more times but at the end we can achive it .

[Piratis]

what is land DT ? it is only piece of ground . you can have a life without a ground but u can not have a easy life without trust and security .

Really Halil?

If that is how you see it, then how about this: The GCs keep 95% of the land, so they get what is important for them, and the TCs keep the 5% of land, with 500.000 Turkish soldiers in it so they can have maximum security. If you want we can even build a 30 meter wall around that 5% where you will be, for added security from the "evil" GCs.

Do you agree?

Or maybe "land is not important" only when it is about you taking our lands?

[Nikitas]

"Pantheman, the worst Turk is in your mind. This is 2008, the world is changing fast and your kind remain steadfast in 1453. The biggest investors in Turkey are Greeks and Greek banks are doing great business in Turkey."

yes maybe so, but Turkish jets and warships are daily violating Greek air and sea territory. The mentality of 1453 is still active in Turkish military minds. Only last year the chief of the Turkish air force said that if he loses one jet in an accident over the Aegen then he will make sure the other side loses two, and was applauded for saying it.

Other generals said that Gavdos island, south of Crete in the Libyan sea is a grey area of the Aegean. Ciller threatened with war if Greece extends to 12 miles her sea in the Ionian.

Bananiot forgets who he is dealing with. Definitely we must all chip in and send him for holidays to Imvros or Tenedos.

[alekcen]

Interest and ambitions can be seen from both sides. By the way talking about the international law of the 12 miles, have u ever wondered that in many cases the greek islands have a distance less than 5 miles from the shores of turkey, so what happens now? should Greece extend its sea-terrain by 12 miles which will basicly cover many of the shores of Minor asia? Thats a mood point for both sides.

[alekcen]

Again, I don't understand how you can come to the aid of the enemy, as Bananiot does and then have to audacity to tell us that we should conceed all to the turks. The GC has compromised no end of times, show me please the compromises your fellow turks (the ones you hold in such high esteem) have made to just. They just contiunue to stab at us while you hold us down and you want me to respect you for that? I don't think so.

Hade kanei se, kai se varethika

I dont agree with ur accusations, in my opinion ur the one who is helping Turkey achieve what it always wanted and is the partition of our country, and by ur extreme nationalist policy ur helping them and doing all the work for them. Let me remind u that Mr papadopoulos was applaude by Denctas and also he gave him congratulations for his policy and cause of papadopoulos said NO . Doesnt that makes u suspicious?? How can the enemy give credit to u cause of voting NO? Why both nationalist from both sides said NO???


TELL ME WHY DID PAPADOPOULOS MET SERDAP DENCTAS IN HIS HOUSE BEFORE THE REFERUNDUM?????

[Piratis]

Interest and ambitions can be seen from both sides. By the way talking about the international law of the 12 miles, have u ever wondered that in many cases the greek islands have a distance less than 5 miles from the shores of turkey, so what happens now? should Greece extend its sea-terrain by 12 miles which will basicly cover many of the shores of Minor asia? Thats a mood point for both sides.

No mate. When the distance between the shores of territories that belong to different countries is less than 24 miles apart, then they simply split the diffrence in the middle.

E.g. if some Greek island is 5 miles from Turkey, then 2.5 miles belong to Greece and 2.5 miles to Turkey.

Everything is very clear actually. Why do you have to excuse the Turks in every illegality and crime they commit?

[Nikitas]

As a a lawyer with some specialist knowledge of maritime law I can assure you Alek that in cases where there is overlap of territorial waters a median line is the frontier. This happens now where both Greece and Turkey have 6 mile limits and there is overlap, ie Symi, Rhodos, Samos and other islands.

THe 12 mile limit was opposed by Greece, but it has become international law. The law happens to favor Greece on this point, and Turkey has taken advantage of its provisions in the Black Sea and the south coast, where it applies the 12 mile limit. It unilaterally threatens Greece with war if Greece extends its waters to 12 miles anywhere, including the south of Crete and the Ionian.