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[Sotos]

There are some racists that they dislike people just because of the race they belong. Like they can dislike blacks just because of their color even though those blacks never harmed them!!!! There are even some other worst racists that not only dislike people of other races but they also invade them, kill them and they want to eliminate them from their own lands! Like what the Nazis did or what the Turks are doing!! The Turks dislike Greeks and they want to eliminate us from north part of Cyprus so they can make it Turkish! That is how much racist Nazis they are. Can you tolerate them? I hate racists! Racists are not my friends!

[utu]

Does that include Greek racists, Sotos? There seems to be a fair number on this forum. Racism exists everywhere, even here in Canada. Canadians don't like to talk about it much, but our treatment of the native Indians and Eskimo was reprehensible, and the actions of some of the Canadian military overseas has been less than sterling...
In any case, Sotos, Turk is NOT a synonym for racist. You want to condemn Turkish racists, then go ahead, but don't paint all Turks with the same brush...

[Sotos]

Yes, some racists exist everywhere. Does this make it OK? Do you accept them? I don't! About Turks I made another poll and lets see how many of them are racists and how many are not!

[CopperLine]

Sotos,

That racists may be found everywhere does not mean that everywhere is racist. This is a matter of logic and fact. The frequency of racism is neither here nor there when it comes to whether 'it makes racism ok' to use your strange choice of words.

Your poll is doomed to failure since it will tell us absolutely nothing useful : only someone who is a self-confessed racist (and total idiot) might answer to your first option.

[Tim Drayton]

This thread was started by somebody who is happy to promote the following message of genocide in relation to the Turkish Cypriots:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... ht=#334357

"I mean a final solution as envisaged by easykill for cockroaches. Or you see any other solution for Cyprus getting rid of the Turkish plague Tim? If you know then tell me. All I see is Turks invading us, killing us, and sending more and more Settlers to give to them the lands they stole from us. They started in 1571 and they continue until 2008. Do you see any other way we can get back what is ours? Tell me Tim. Because we have been trying with negotiations for 34 years and you see that the Turks have not changed one iota with just giving them words. They want some nice metal passing throw their heads. That is the only thing that will definitely chance their minds."

The strange thing is he probably does not believe himself to be a racist. Human psychology is very hard to fathom.

[CopperLine]

Tim Drayton,
The words that you quote from Sotos are indeed indistinguishable from those used by Nazis and Nazi-sympathisers before, during and after the genocides of the second world war. The phrases Oracle frequently uses are similarly vile. I agree that it is odd that they do not wish them to be named for what they are, but I do think that the minimum one can do is to denounce racists wherever and whenever is necessary. The normalisation of race-hate is racism's strongest weapon and everything needs to be done to puncture and refuse such practices.

[Oracle]

In order to have their illegal occupation of nearly half of Cyprus and racist ethnic cleansing of 200,000 GCs from their homes of many generations ... Turks think they can condemn GCs who state they hate them.

To hate "something" is a perfectly normal Human emotion as valid as to love. Two extremes, but part of the same healthy balanced equilibrium which makes one invalid should the other be removed. Most apparent in autistic children who can feel neither full love nor full hate.

So you are either in denial if you say you do not hate or you are autistic (+ few other conditions).

So hate has nothing to do with racism, and certainly hate of an enemy is just that, a specific emotion not linked to their "race" but their behaviour.

Racism is a completely different kettle of fish and arises from a primitive but necessary survival mechanism.

Civilisation helps remove the activities which would lead to discrimination based on this primal instinct which we all have (anyone who did not have it, became extinct a long time ago). If you are still alive and part of the evolutionary process ... you have the instincts for racism (helps differentiate between definetely safe mother, safe family, mostly safe close relatives, nearly safe distant relatives and finally, potentially unsafe foreign tribes.)

TURKS want it all. They want our lands, they want us out, and they have been prepared to racially ethnically cleanse us from part of Cyprus.

Yet they complain if we say we hate them for doing that.

Some real idiots confuse a cry of hating them, with a display of racism.

Wrong!

I will not excuse the Turks behaviour on the basis of genetic inferiority because as far as I am concerned that absolves them from full responsibility for what they have done.

The Turks are equal to the Greeks and they are both equal to all tribes of mankind. We are all ONE HUMAN RACE ... and everything we do, we must take full responsibility for, including not being loved if we do something bad to someone.

Is there anyone who can honestly say, racist ethnic cleansing of 200,000 GCs is the morallly right and legal thing to do in this day and age?

[GG]

Yes ok racism is bad but its no worse than ageism, sexism, or any other ism for that matter. Its just a general prejudice causing those affected to be treated differently through no wilful fault of their own or actions.

And I belive racism is in everybody to a certain degree, including myself. I will never physicaly or verbally abuse someone because of their race but I would certainly have an rough idea on what to expect from a member of each race and will act accordingly.

[Piratis]

There are different levels of racism.

Somebody can dislik people of a specific race and we might not even know he does if he is not honest enough to say it and admit it. Such kind of racism is condemned, but it is not a crime. People are free to like or dislike whoever they want.

Then there is another level of racism, where those people can discriminate against people from the races they dislike, and many such discriminations are illegal and punishable in most countries.

The 3rd and worst kind of racism is the one where the racists not only dislike specific races, not only they descriminate against them, but they directly go and violate their most basic human rights committing crimes against them. Such kind of racism is what we have seen by the KKK in the USA, the Nazis in Germany and in Turkey today, to say a few examples.

During Hitler most Germans were brainwashed and actually accepted his racist theories. The Germans, the majority of them, where therefore racists, and the world had to fight against them. This doesn't mean those Germans where born racists and bad. They were made like this through brainwashing and propaganda. Soon after the end of WWII when the Nazi propaganda was over, they realized their mistake and in Germany today the problem of racism is not any worst than any other place in the world, since racism is not something which is promoted by the state anymore.

Turkey today has the same problem that Nazi Germany had during Hitler. Turkey is ruled by a bunch of criminal Nazi army officers who have brainwashed their people and made most of them to accept their racist mentality. Just like for most Germans during Hitler it was fine to jail the Jews because through some propaganda they convinced them that Jews are evil and they have to be punished, similarly most Turks of today think it is fine to ethnically cleanse Greek Cypriots and take their lands because Greek Cypriots are "evil" and need to be punished.

[EPSILON]

Does that include Greek racists, Sotos? There seems to be a fair number on this forum. Racism exists everywhere, even here in Canada. Canadians don't like to talk about it much, but our treatment of the native Indians and Eskimo was reprehensible, and the actions of some of the Canadian military overseas has been less than sterling...
In any case, Sotos, Turk is NOT a synonym for racist. You want to condemn Turkish racists, then go ahead, but don't paint all Turks with the same brush...

Absolute correct - Turks, as population are not racists. Their leaders missing of the corret time (they are still living in 18th century) guide them to the wrong way.

People-population is never racist- always a leader or leaders guide normal people to behave on the wrong way- Milo in Serbia / Georgia's president, Prime minster of Skopje - just to refer some latest issue of them