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[Oracle]

I hate bloody Turks ...

..... bloodsucking, warmongering, expansionist Scum of the Earth!

Well, it's plain to see where you stand regarding Turkey and its people, Oracle. No wonder the Turkish Cypriot contributors to this forum despise you. Ethnic hatreds have caused nothing but misery throughout the world. When is it going to stop?

There are two main reasons I use this simple interjection.

1.It has served to expose that all TCs (bar Kikapu) view themselves as Turks.

Fine! But they have to accept they are as much a part of the enemy as the troops and Turks from Turkey occupying our island.

It also shows their unfairness in wanting us to remove our Greek connections. Bit hypocritical if they view themselves as Turks, but we cannot maintain our Greek connection.

2. Turkey is attempting to portray itself as European, peaceful and that the occupation in Cyprus is well-regarded.

My interjection reminds everyone that 34 years has not made us accept the Turks on our land as normal, or wanted or desired. They are very much hated as occupiers.

Respect is won, not demanded.

If the Turks want to be loved, they need to remove themselves as an illegal, occupying army from Cyprus, and all those who view themselves as TURKS need to follow them out!

Oracle,

Your posts are very anti-Turkish. Fine, that's your privilige, but I have noticed one thing: you're not drawing any distinction between Turkish Settlers, and Turkish Cypriots. Does that mean you'll be wanting them ALL thrown off the island of Cyprus, should the Green Line come down?

utu ... My posts are anti-Turkish because they are the only ones who have invaded us and keep us under occupation. I assure you it is not a privilege.

I have come to the conclusion that the "TC"s that are left on the Island are the ones that view themselves as Turkish ...

So I do not discriminate between "TC"s and mainland Turks.

Since about 70,000 TCs left to follow the Turks in 1974 .... when Cyprus is re-unified under the banner of the RoC, 70,000 Turks of any flavour can remain (+ / - adjustments for natural population changes).

After 34 years living together with the Turks as their chosen "brothers" ... they have all become the same to me.

[miltiades]

Your post should of read..

"I've just found this picture on the net and I need to make up lies in order to display it."

Do not push your mind. Turks are very nice peole. There only problem is that they are citizens of a dictatorship, since Attaturk days, and they always consider that they have a European, democratic state.

When they will realize what Democratic state means then -the most- will discover their rutes, Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, Serbians and yes about 50000 families Turks. (Osman family and his village).

The problem is not the Turks, who, out of 50000 families became (theoritically and psicholigically 90 millions) - The problem is Greeks who (G/Cs) trying to became the Ethnicity of Mars during the last 50 yeas. like lets say Meltiadis in London who is the result of G/Cs stupiness.

Let us understand what you are trying to say . The Turks are a mere 50 thousand families !! Now they are 90 million having become so "psichologically " The GCs became Martian citizens and " MELTIADES "
is the result of G/Cs "stupiness " !!
Let me tell you something mate in plain English and in Greek too .
What a load of shit !! Ti malakies ine aftes re malaka !!

[utu]

utu ... My posts are anti-Turkish because they are the only ones who have invaded us and keep us under occupation. I assure you it is not a privilege.

I have come to the conclusion that the "TC"s that are left on the Island are the ones that view themselves as Turkish ...

So I do not discriminate between "TC"s and mainland Turks.

Since about 70,000 TCs left to follow the Turks in 1974 .... when Cyprus is re-unified under the banner of the RoC, 70,000 Turks of any flavour can remain (+ / - adjustments for natural population changes).

After 34 years living together with the Turks as their chosen "brothers" ... they have all become the same to me.

So in effect, you have tarred them all with the same brush. This, despite the fact that the majority of Turkish Cypriots do not really care for the Anatolian Turkish settlers. This sounds like you subscribe to the notorious phrase: "Kill them all, let God sort them out".
Now, I'm not so nieve as to say to all "Forgive and Forget", as human nature is not like that. One cannot forget wrongs perpetrated, whether it was wrongs perpetrated by Greeks in 1963 or Turks in 1974. But if there is to be any hope of peace AND UNITY, then there is going to have to be a tacit forgiveness, something that you seem incapable of.
Oracle, I'm saying this with no malice, but it needs to be said: It is folk like you - on both sides of the Green Line - that will perpetuate this cycle of hate, mistrust, and partition. I honestly picture you taking a rifle and shooting any Turk you come across: man, woman, or child.

[Oracle]

utu ... My posts are anti-Turkish because they are the only ones who have invaded us and keep us under occupation. I assure you it is not a privilege.

I have come to the conclusion that the "TC"s that are left on the Island are the ones that view themselves as Turkish ...

So I do not discriminate between "TC"s and mainland Turks.

Since about 70,000 TCs left to follow the Turks in 1974 .... when Cyprus is re-unified under the banner of the RoC, 70,000 Turks of any flavour can remain (+ / - adjustments for natural population changes).

After 34 years living together with the Turks as their chosen "brothers" ... they have all become the same to me.

So in effect, you have tarred them all with the same brush. This, despite the fact that the majority of Turkish Cypriots do not really care for the Anatolian Turkish settlers. This sounds like you subscribe to the notorious phrase: "Kill them all, let God sort them out".
Now, I'm not so nieve as to say to all "Forgive and Forget", as human nature is not like that. One cannot forget wrongs perpetrated, whether it was wrongs perpetrated by Greeks in 1963 or Turks in 1974. But if there is to be any hope of peace AND UNITY, then there is going to have to be a tacit forgiveness, something that you seem incapable of.
Oracle, I'm saying this with no malice, but it needs to be said: It is folk like you - on both sides of the Green Line - that will perpetuate this cycle of hate, mistrust, and partition. I honestly picture you taking a rifle and shooting any Turk you come across: man, woman, or child.

Are you suggesting the Turks are so disgusting, even the TCs do not want too be tarred with them?

In what ways do you still view the "TC"s as separate and different to other Turks ...

How do you discriminate between them? ... because I cannot see any logical differences.

We need a racist par excellance to distinguish between Turks and "TC"s, and by their own admission on this forum ... even they see themselves as "Turks who want Cyprus as their own"

[miltiades]

utu ... My posts are anti-Turkish because they are the only ones who have invaded us and keep us under occupation. I assure you it is not a privilege.

I have come to the conclusion that the "TC"s that are left on the Island are the ones that view themselves as Turkish ...

So I do not discriminate between "TC"s and mainland Turks.

Since about 70,000 TCs left to follow the Turks in 1974 .... when Cyprus is re-unified under the banner of the RoC, 70,000 Turks of any flavour can remain (+ / - adjustments for natural population changes).

After 34 years living together with the Turks as their chosen "brothers" ... they have all become the same to me.

So in effect, you have tarred them all with the same brush. This, despite the fact that the majority of Turkish Cypriots do not really care for the Anatolian Turkish settlers. This sounds like you subscribe to the notorious phrase: "Kill them all, let God sort them out".
Now, I'm not so nieve as to say to all "Forgive and Forget", as human nature is not like that. One cannot forget wrongs perpetrated, whether it was wrongs perpetrated by Greeks in 1963 or Turks in 1974. But if there is to be any hope of peace AND UNITY, then there is going to have to be a tacit forgiveness, something that you seem incapable of.
Oracle, I'm saying this with no malice, but it needs to be said: It is folk like you - on both sides of the Green Line - that will perpetuate this cycle of hate, mistrust, and partition. I honestly picture you taking a rifle and shooting any Turk you come across: man, woman, or child.

The voice of reason , you have my utmost respect Sir .

[utu]

Are you suggesting the Turks are so disgusting, even the TCs do not want too be tarred with them?

In what ways do you still view the "TC"s as separate and different to other Turks ...

How do you discriminate between them? ... because I cannot see any logical differences.

We need a racist par excellance to distinguish between Turks and "TC"s, and by their own admission on this forum ... even they see themselves as "Turks who want Cyprus as their own"

Oracle, people have a right to be proud of their 'roots', but using those 'roots' in order to perpetuate a racist agenda is wrong! It is because of this that the philosophies of Enosis on one side and Taksim on the other took place. Both sides are to blame here.

[Nikitas]

Utu,

The TCs managed to chieve both Taksim and Enosis with Turkey. Stop using this old line of Enosis being the root cause etc. The RoC today is more distant from Greece than ever, and the two often go different ways in the EU, because their interests diverge, in short the Enosis thing is over for the Greek side. When was the last time TCs dared opposed Turkey on anything?

[Oracle]

Are you suggesting the Turks are so disgusting, even the TCs do not want too be tarred with them?

In what ways do you still view the "TC"s as separate and different to other Turks ...

How do you discriminate between them? ... because I cannot see any logical differences.

We need a racist par excellance to distinguish between Turks and "TC"s, and by their own admission on this forum ... even they see themselves as "Turks who want Cyprus as their own"

Oracle, people have a right to be proud of their 'roots', but using those 'roots' in order to perpetuate a racist agenda is wrong! It is because of this that the philosophies of Enosis on one side and Taksim on the other took place. Both sides are to blame here.

utu .... you are the one who suggested the Turks are inferior to the TCs ...

Did you make a mistake or are you the racist par excellence that is willing to discriminate even between TCs and Turks, when they themselves see each other as one

[Cem]

The TCs managed to chieve both Taksim and Enosis with Turkey.

If your community lives under constant trade-educational-touristic-travel embargoes, and the world treats them as if they don't exist, then I would like to see how long the GCs would hold out under similar circumstances.

The TCs did NOT manage to achieve Taksim or Enosis with Turkey on their own freewill !

Simply, they were made to be dependent on Turkey all thanks to joint and concerted efforts of Turkish governments and GC-controlled RoC.

Stop using this old line of Enosis being the root cause etc. The RoC today is more distant from Greece than ever, and the two often go different ways in the EU, because their interests diverge, in short the Enosis thing is over for the Greek side.

Well, Nikitas if you say so, fine. As I am not knowledgeable about actual Greece-RoC relation, I can not comment on this recalling your account of the Greek civil war.

But, I can comment on :

When was the last time TCs dared opposed Turkey on anything?

Blunt question with a blunt answer: simply economic dependence. point.