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[T_C]

....and she's one of the educated ones!

Imagine what else exist beyond those borders.

[Sotos]

Sotos,
A few facts first : I have not stolen anyone's land, neither GC nor TC, nor anyone elses. Second, I have never made a racist comment re. Greeks or any other group of people. So your opening sentence is wrong in substance and wrong in logic. You will not find a statement from me conveying hate or any other sentiment to Greeks, Turks, Cypriots or anyon else.

So your counter-allegation is empty. Instead of trying to defend the indefensible why not try to crawl out of the gutter and entertain some slightly more humanist thoughts.

You SUPPORT the stealing of our lands don't you? Don't you support that Greek Cypriots should be ethnically cleansed from north Cyprus so Turks can steal our lands and make north Cyprus Turkish although it belongs mostly to us? That is not just plain racism. That is Nazi racism. You support invasions and ehtnic cleansing so you can harm others and benefit the Turks!

[utu]

Sotos,
A few facts first : I have not stolen anyone's land, neither GC nor TC, nor anyone elses. Second, I have never made a racist comment re. Greeks or any other group of people. So your opening sentence is wrong in substance and wrong in logic. You will not find a statement from me conveying hate or any other sentiment to Greeks, Turks, Cypriots or anyon else.

So your counter-allegation is empty. Instead of trying to defend the indefensible why not try to crawl out of the gutter and entertain some slightly more humanist thoughts.

You SUPPORT the stealing of our lands don't you? Don't you support that Greek Cypriots should be ethnically cleansed from north Cyprus so Turks can steal our lands and make north Cyprus Turkish although it belongs mostly to us? That is not just plain racism. That is Nazi racism. You support invasions and ehtnic cleansing so you can harm others and benefit the Turks!

Sotos, The same charge of land stealing was made by Turks against Greeks in the aftermath of December 1963. Now, I don't know how much of that was actually due to Greeks forcing Turks out, or militant Turks forcing moderate Turks into the enclaves that resulted, but even if only a few Turkish Cypriot properties were forcibly taken over by Greek Cypriots, do you condone it?

[Sotos]

Sotos,
A few facts first : I have not stolen anyone's land, neither GC nor TC, nor anyone elses. Second, I have never made a racist comment re. Greeks or any other group of people. So your opening sentence is wrong in substance and wrong in logic. You will not find a statement from me conveying hate or any other sentiment to Greeks, Turks, Cypriots or anyon else.

So your counter-allegation is empty. Instead of trying to defend the indefensible why not try to crawl out of the gutter and entertain some slightly more humanist thoughts.

You SUPPORT the stealing of our lands don't you? Don't you support that Greek Cypriots should be ethnically cleansed from north Cyprus so Turks can steal our lands and make north Cyprus Turkish although it belongs mostly to us? That is not just plain racism. That is Nazi racism. You support invasions and ehtnic cleansing so you can harm others and benefit the Turks!

Sotos, The same charge of land stealing was made by Turks against Greeks in the aftermath of December 1963. Now, I don't know how much of that was actually due to Greeks forcing Turks out, or militant Turks forcing moderate Turks into the enclaves that resulted, but even if only a few Turkish Cypriot properties were forcibly taken over by Greek Cypriots, do you condone it?

Why would any GC take over the property of a TC? Such take over would not be recognized and so the GC wouldn't be able to do anything with that property!! Maybe TCs went into enclaves because it was easier for them to fight the war like that. And they kicked out everybody else from those enclaves, even the Armenian Cypriots! Their land was theirs for them to return to. Cyprus composition is 82% GCs and 18% TCs. We don't want to use any force to change this. But the Turks want to use force and ethnic cleansing to change the composition of north Cyprus and make it Turkish because they are racists and they can not accept that Cyprus has a GC majority!

[CopperLine]

Sotos,
Here are the answers to your assinine questions and assertions :

You SUPPORT the stealing of our lands don't you? - NO. Don't you support that Greek Cypriots should be ethnically cleansed from north Cyprus NO so Turks can steal our lands NO and make north Cyprus Turkish NO although it belongs mostly to us ? NO That is not just plain racism THEREFORE NO . That is Nazi racism THEREFORE NO. You support invasions NO and ehtnic cleansing NO so you can harm others NO and benefit the Turks! NO

So everything you assumed and asserted was wrong.

[Oracle]

I hate bloody Turks ...

..... bloodsucking, warmongering, expansionist Scum of the Earth!

Well, it's plain to see where you stand regarding Turkey and its people, Oracle. No wonder the Turkish Cypriot contributors to this forum despise you. Ethnic hatreds have caused nothing but misery throughout the world. When is it going to stop?

There are two main reasons I use this simple interjection.

1.It has served to expose that all TCs (bar Kikapu) view themselves as Turks.

Fine! But they have to accept they are as much a part of the enemy as the troops and Turks from Turkey occupying our island.

It also shows their unfairness in wanting us to remove our Greek connections. Bit hypocritical if they view themselves as Turks, but we cannot maintain our Greek connection.

2. Turkey is attempting to portray itself as European, peaceful and that the occupation in Cyprus is well-regarded.

My interjection reminds everyone that 34 years has not made us accept the Turks on our land as normal, or wanted or desired. They are very much hated as occupiers.

Respect is won, not demanded.

If the Turks want to be loved, they need to remove themselves as an illegal, occupying army from Cyprus, and all those who view themselves as TURKS need to follow them out!

[vaughanwilliams]

O,

You say that the Turks are "an illegal occupying army"
yet Article Three of The Treaty of Guarantee clearly states:

"In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of
re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty."

As far as I know the state of affairs established by the Treaty have not been re-established and therefore Turkey is within its rights until they are.

[Piratis]

O,

You say that the Turks are "an illegal occupying army"
yet Article Three of The Treaty of Guarantee clearly states:

"In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim of
re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty."

As far as I know the state of affairs established by the Treaty have not been re-established and therefore Turkey is within its rights until they are.

Do you have comprehension problems vaughanwilliams?

What you posted is just one more fact that proves the illegality of the Turkish occupation. The "sole aim" of any action should be "the state of affairs established by the present Treaty."

And the state of affairs is described earlier in the treaty:

ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.

There is no doubt that Turkish occupation of north Cyprus is illegal.

[EPSILON]

Your post should of read..

"I've just found this picture on the net and I need to make up lies in order to display it."

Do not push your mind. Turks are very nice peole. There only problem is that they are citizens of a dictatorship, since Attaturk days, and they always consider that they have a European, democratic state.

When they will realize what Democratic state means then -the most- will discover their rutes, Greeks, Armenians, Bulgarians, Serbians and yes about 50000 families Turks. (Osman family and his village).

The problem is not the Turks, who, out of 50000 families became (theoritically and psicholigically 90 millions) - The problem is Greeks who (G/Cs) trying to became the Ethnicity of Mars during the last 50 yeas. like lets say Meltiadis in London who is the result of G/Cs stupiness.

[utu]

I hate bloody Turks ...

..... bloodsucking, warmongering, expansionist Scum of the Earth!

Well, it's plain to see where you stand regarding Turkey and its people, Oracle. No wonder the Turkish Cypriot contributors to this forum despise you. Ethnic hatreds have caused nothing but misery throughout the world. When is it going to stop?

There are two main reasons I use this simple interjection.

1.It has served to expose that all TCs (bar Kikapu) view themselves as Turks.

Fine! But they have to accept they are as much a part of the enemy as the troops and Turks from Turkey occupying our island.

It also shows their unfairness in wanting us to remove our Greek connections. Bit hypocritical if they view themselves as Turks, but we cannot maintain our Greek connection.

2. Turkey is attempting to portray itself as European, peaceful and that the occupation in Cyprus is well-regarded.

My interjection reminds everyone that 34 years has not made us accept the Turks on our land as normal, or wanted or desired. They are very much hated as occupiers.

Respect is won, not demanded.

If the Turks want to be loved, they need to remove themselves as an illegal, occupying army from Cyprus, and all those who view themselves as TURKS need to follow them out!

Oracle,

Your posts are very anti-Turkish. Fine, that's your privilige, but I have noticed one thing: you're not drawing any distinction between Turkish Settlers, and Turkish Cypriots. Does that mean you'll be wanting them ALL thrown off the island of Cyprus, should the Green Line come down?