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Naughty AKP still on Probation by Turkish Generals ....

Postby Oracle » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:02 pm

Turkish PM appeases critics by disowning anti-porn bill

Robert Tait in Istanbul The Guardian, Thursday August 14 2008

Turkey's prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has proffered an olive branch to secular critics by publicly disowning his party's proposals to curb pornography and encourage school prayer.

The move appeared designed to allay lingering fears of an Islamist state, coming less than two weeks after a court case in which the governing Justice and Development party (AKP) narrowly avoided a ban for allegedly undermining Turkey's secular system.

Erdogan spoke out after the party's deputy chairwoman, Edibe Sozen, provoked an outcry by publishing a plan to force buyers of pornography to give their details to shopkeepers, who would have been obliged pass them to the authorities. The bill also included provisions requiring prayer facilities in all state schools, despite constitutional laws demanding the separation of religion and state.

The draft Protection of Youth bill also proposed banning licensed restaurants from admitting unaccompanied under-18s after 10pm, and would have made it illegal for them to be there after midnight even if accompanied by their parents.

Sozen claimed the bill was based on laws in force in Germany, but withdrew her proposal under protest from secularists who claimed it was further evidence of the AKP's Islamist "hidden agenda".

The fallout forced Erdogan, known for his socially conservative views, into an unusually harsh rebuke in which he described Sozen's proposals as "ill- timed and fatal". He urged party discipline at a time when the AKP is under fierce scrutiny for perceived anti-secular tendencies.

"It [the bill] is not the party's work, but it was perceived as if it belonged to the party," he told an AKP meeting. "Such works should be discussed within the party first. It is an ill-timed and fatal statement. The content is bad. She [Sozen] put the party in a difficult situation. We are going through sensitive times that need caution and ultimate care. This is valid for each one of us. We all need to refrain from any actions or statements that could create new tensions."

His comments were later reinforced by an AKP statement, which dismissed Sozen's proposals as "not in accordance with the party programme".

Sozen's draft was published just days after the constitutional court - Turkey's highest - effectively put the AKP on probation by depriving it of millions of pounds in state funding, after finding it guilty of being a "focal point of anti-secularism".

The ruling stopped short of prosecutors' demands for the party to be shut down and for its senior figures, including Erdogan, to be banned from politics for five years.

Mensur Akgun, an EU programme director with Tesev, a Turkish thinktank, said: "I don't think the critics will be satisfied with such a motion from the prime minister. He has to show that he favours further liberalisation of the country and cares about more than just the rights of the Muslim community."



The whole country wants to join the realms of their Fundamentalist Muslim brothers, but those darned unelected Generals have to impose their will .....

... who is in charge in Turkey again? :?
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Postby humanist » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:10 pm

what does it really matter? they still think its okay to bash up women and kill journalists for speaking their truth.
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Postby CopperLine » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:10 pm

who is in charge in Turkey again?


Oh very much the AKP - didn't you notice the recent defeat of the army ?
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Postby Oracle » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:15 pm

CopperLine wrote:
who is in charge in Turkey again?


Oh very much the AKP - didn't you notice the recent defeat of the army ?


What sort of Government has to defeat its Army ? :?

Surely the Army and the Government are supposed to be in unison for the good of the country!

Is that not the case in Turkey? :?

Please enlighten us, on this trend, for the elected Government in power, having to defeat its own Army, dear CopperLine......
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Postby CopperLine » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:19 pm

What sort of Government has to defeat its Army ?


One whose army claims to be the final defender of the constitution. Not that unusual in modern politics.
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Postby Oracle » Thu Aug 14, 2008 10:23 pm

CopperLine wrote:
What sort of Government has to defeat its Army ?


One whose army claims to be the final defender of the constitution. Not that unusual in modern politics.


Really ... name a few Armies that threaten to remove the Government for every new Law they don't approve of, like wearing headscarves or selling drinks or the age-limit for socialising!
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Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:11 pm

It is heartening that the secular State has the strength to forbid reform, that helps in exclusivity a religious cause, and this incident proves that the government's intent is reform in pursuit of the qualities which secure their EU membership, and as a Party, its leadership has demonstrated this resolve.
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Postby humanist » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:14 pm

I don't think so repulse. It shows absolutely nothing . they have a long way to go. I just hoped they would go a long way away from my country ;) :):):)
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Postby CopperLine » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:42 pm

Loathe though I am to say it, the best chance that a Cyprus settlement might arise, comes from the AKP. Whatever the motive - to increase chances of EU accession, to lighten the financial burden on Turkey, to refuse army power, or simply to use Cyprus as bargaining counter within internal Turkish politics, or even because AKP expresses concern for peace and security, whatever - there is more chance of a resolution than under any previous government.
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:51 pm

I do not speak Turkish and therefore cannot judge first hand what Erdogan says. But I do read body language and it is clear that Erdogan needs to assert his leadership. Whichever of the motivations listed by Copperline above hold true, the one undeniable thing is that Erdogan must have a solution which he can present as Turkish, not merely TC, victory.

This contrasts with the Greek side which wants to find relief, not victory and the GC side which wants to bring about the removal of a threat to its survival. And in those angles the body language is clear also.

For those that have studied, professionally or as enthusiastic amateurs, the psychlogy of body language, Burgenstok was a golden opportunity to see the theories amply demonstrated.
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