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[roseandchan]

coming from an e.u country i am appalled at how some of the tc's population live. people who are disabled for one reason or another get sod all help compared to those in europe. hospitals funded with equiptment from the red cross. who is taking the us first and only approach? welfare of the people of cyprus as a whole? not the roc thats for sure.

[eracles]

sorry but that's rubbish, tcs can use roc facilities without having contributed anything. i don't know what more you're expecting...

[Nikitas]

Roseandchan,

I used the word welfare in its literal sense, ie well being, not in the welfare state sense!

[humanist]

kikapu what is fair in this whole situation?

[Kifeas]

"News reports revealed yesterday that Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan assured Turkish Cypriot officials, especially the opposition, during a visit to the north last month that Güzelyurt would never be returned to Greek Cypriot control. "

Sorry, but what has Erdogan got to do with this?

Aha....

"As Cypriot leaders are readying for comprehensive negotiations set for next month, the town of Güzelyurt in northwest Cyprus will not be on the table as a bargaining chip for the Turkish side considering Turkey's recent investments in the area. "

Nice to see Turkey supporting the reunification process.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... sid=112414

I never accepted the arguement that we should be talking to Erdogan not Talat, but this makes my blood boil and question Talat's 'power' to negotiate a solution.

It is more than obvious that the Turkish side does not want a peaceful solution in Cyprus; otherwise it wouldn't have dared to express its desire to reach one, on the basis of a wholesale "fuck" of the GC side! Under these circumstances, and with such a cynical Turkish attitude, a peaceful solution will never be found in Cyprus! Regardless of what some clueless idiots among the GC society may keep saying, the TC side should know well and understand that the biggest victim of this Turkish cynical behaviour, will be themselves! The majority of TCs seem not to care, and they await their fait in a passive way, allowing the mainland Turkish nationalism (which includes Erdogan and his party, besides the Kemalist military and civilian bureaucracy,) to speak on their behalf and determine their positions. There is no chance in a 100 that they will get the occupied north recognised as a separate state, and they will remain hostages of the Turkish illegitimate nationalist convictions, until they eventually become extinct as a society, among a flood of Turkish settlers. "Fair enough," the status quo will continue, with the only exception that Turkey's EU accession process will inevitably have to be terminated, sooner than later!

[Nikitas]

Kifeas,

The majority of TCs have already left! When Erdogan referred to Morphou he knew full well that his audience was mostly mainland Turk settlers and "investors". I was disappointed at the total silence of those TCs that are still left in Cyprus at this provocation. At the very least I was expecting them to tell him to sod off, to assert that which parts they will keep and which they will return is their business and no one else's.

[Kifeas]

I was disappointed at the total silence of those TCs that are still left in Cyprus at this provocation. At the very least I was expecting them to tell him to sod off, to assert that which parts they will keep and which they will return is their business and no one else's.

Exactly Nikitas! That is why I only feel sorry for the TCs as a society, because none of them -and I mean from those that have some minimum influencing power, seems to want or dare to speak up! We too will suffer from this cynical and illegitimate Turkish attitude; but the biggest losers will be themselves, whether they want to realise it or not! Unfortunately, the average TC person has been conditioned to subconsciously think only in terms of “what is mine is mine, and what is yours is mine too!”

[roseandchan]

kifeas i can't believe that you think that. living with tc's for the last 2 years they are not at all like that. they are always generous and welcoming. they never ask us for anything other than advice. they feel just as unsure about a solution as you do in the south. its a worrying time for everyone. the older people who have seen war are the most worried, nobody wants it to happen again ,so in a way i can see why there should be caution on both sides.

[Tim Drayton]

I was disappointed at the total silence of those TCs that are still left in Cyprus at this provocation. At the very least I was expecting them to tell him to sod off, to assert that which parts they will keep and which they will return is their business and no one else's.

Exactly Nikitas! That is why I only feel sorry for the TCs as a society, because none of them -and I mean from those that have some minimum influencing power, seems to want or dare to speak up! We too will suffer from this cynical and illegitimate Turkish attitude; but the biggest losers will be themselves, whether they want to realise it or not! Unfortunately, the average TC person has been conditioned to subconsciously think only in terms of “what is mine is mine, and what is yours is mine too!”

Some dates and events:

23 April 1962
Ayhan Hikmet and Ahmet Müzaffer Gürkan murdered. These were the publishers of the Cumhuriyet newpaper, which supported the existence of the RoC and promoted intercommunal harmony, rather than partition.

6 July 1996
Journalist Kutlu Adalı murdered. He had started publishing a series of articles into the looting of St Barnabus Monastery by the security forces.

1 September 2000 and 17 October 2000
On the first of these dates 6,000 people, and on the second, 15,000 rally under the slogan "This country is ours" (i.e. the Cypriots' not Ankara's)

24 May 2001
The premises of the Avrupa newspaper are bombed. This newspaper was highly critical of the Denktash regime and referred to the Turkish army in Cyprus as an occupying force.

11-12 December 2001
A punitive court order is issued against the Avrupa newspaper, and the following day the newspaper's assets are seized.

15 December 2001
The Avrupa newspaper is relaunched as the Afrika newspaper with a similar editorial policy.

2 August 2002
Memduh Ener and Şener Levent of the Afrika newspaper are sentenced to six months' imprisonment for insulting Denktash.

26 December 2002, 14 January and 27 February 2003
Huge opposition rallies held to protest against the Denktash regime and in support of slogans such as "This country is ours". First rally attended by 30,000 the second by 60,000 and the third possibly by as many as 70,000 people.

24 March 2008
Demonstration against the re-naming of a park in Nicosia "Ankara Park" on the grounds that this is part of creeping assimilation policy.

(The above chronology could be greatly extended, but I think it makes the point).

Then I read a comment by an obviously well-informed and intelligent Greek Cypriot claiming that not a single Turkish Cypriot wants or dares to speak up and defend Cypriot interests. This is what psychologists call denial. Now, if I could only understand the reason for this denial I might gain some useful insights into the Greek Cypriot psyche.

[humanist]

Greek Cypriot psych is as follows, no denial Turkey invaded Cyprus in 1974 under false pretence. Has lead TC's into oppression for the past 34 years and continues to do so. GC's want to live with TC's they also want to return to their country. Really simple.

If someone stole your home what would you do. Wahta form of denial would you fall into? will you just sit back and say well am out they can have it or fighht with all you got. If only I could understand they way British mind works I could understand why the British have not taken further action on this matter.

But yet had sent troops into Iraq........ hhhmmmmm