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[Mr. T]

Only Turks/British (and some other USA puppets) have a problem with Cyprus my friend. Cyprus joined the EU by meeting all the criteria and because another EU member (Greece) wanted Cyprus in. (like UK wanted Poland and some others in). I hope you understand EU is not the UK and it is not ruled by the British.

Each EU country will take its own decisions regarding its stance in the conflict between two non-Eu countries, as it happened in the case of Kosovo, which is part of the sovereign territory of Serbia, but still some EU countries choose to go against that independent and sovereign country and support the separatists.

What I can tell you from now is that Cyprus will not recognize any separate state in Georgia, or anywhere else, unless this is a UN decision.

If other EU countries want to have a united show of support, they should start by supporting Cyprus, an EU member, which is occupied by the non-EU member, Turkey.

It is rather pathetic to automatically label countries as puppets of the USA because they do not agree with your political views. This is on par with children of primary school age calling others names. Please grow up.

Your statement of the reasons of why countries have joined the EU is equally childish and Greece wanting Cyprus to join (comparable to 'I want Costas in my team') is not how it works. Surely your knowledge is not that poor.

To write 'I hope you understand EU is not the UK and it is not ruled by the British. ' is just pathetic and cannot justify any other response.

Perhaps you will have a better understanding of matters after you leave school.

You obviously do not agree with the aims in the EU to have a common foreign policy but that is your right.

Finally I note you believe that the most important thing that the EU can do is to support Cyprus. I would be interested to know in what manner they should be giving support to Cyprus that it is not already getting.

Mr. T saying words like "pathetic", "childish" etc, will not change the facts that I said earlier.

It is well known that USA leads a group of countries who follow whatever the Americans order, and the UK is the country which does exactly what the Americans order all the time. If you didn't realize this fact then you need to grow some brain.

As far as how EU countries join, it is exactly as I explained earlier. The countries who are already members decide which other countries they want to allow in their Union and which they don't want, as long as those countries meet some criteria. This is how all (apart from the initial countries) joined.

Did you think that the countries that join are only those that the British like? If you didn't like Cyprus to join then why you didn't veto our entry? Because then Greece would veto the accession of the countries that you wanted in. So it is time to realize that you don't own the EU and you don't do whatever you want in it. Cyprus and Greece and far more integrated EU members than the UK, who did not adopt the Euro and does not want to enter the Schengen agreement, and they instead prefer to have closer ties with the USA than the EU.

And "common EU foreign policy" doesn't mean "UK policy" I hope you realize this.

If EU wants to have a common policy then the first thing they should do is to protect their own members, so their own members will not need alliances with 3rd countries in order to support their interests from external threads.

I have read quite a few of your posts since joining this forum and it immediately became evident that you are the most blinkered GC contributor on the forum and once you have got something into your mind and no matter what proof is placed before you you adhere to your preconceived views.

This is again proved by you saying that facts are facts when they are not. I am not sure whether you continue in your ignorance or whether this is a stance you take for fun.

I don't admire the USA and like many here in Britain cannot understand why we go to their aide so often but to say that we do it because we are ordered to do so is stupid to the 'nth degree. Perhaps you believe this in which case that is sad.

What is this rubbish about Britain and vetoing Cyprus's entry to the EU. It is not a matter of not liking a country it is a matter of what one considers is good for ones country and for the EU. We didn't think Cyprus joining was a bad thing at the time. You probably don't remember that it was touch and go whether Greece entered the EU when it did due to it being so backward at the time. Your idea that Greece would veto countries joining that Britain and others were happy to let join does not hold water as being a fairly insignificant member state Greece behaving in such a manner would not be in its interest and I doubt that they would behave that irresponsibly anyway. They are not Russia after all.

Your second explanation of the system for entry to the EU although basic is somewhat better than your first entry whereby you basically said that Cyprus joined because Greece wanted Cyprus as a member.

It is laughable that you consider yourself well integrated into the EU because you have adopted the euro and the Schengen agreement as have only 14 other member states. Adopting the euro should be an economic decision with the euro only replacing the national currency when the time is right not because of just keeping ones currency. It is apparent from your comment that you don't comprehend this. It is a decision that should not be taken lightly, particularly by small economies as interest rate decisions are taken to suit the economies of the large nations such as Germany and France and such decisions could be the opposite of what smaller countries need. South Cyprus may yet suffer from the rush to lose the Cyprus £.

You have responded with the expected drivel but not answered my question. If there is any point to your comment about EU support please do .

Ok...he's turkish

Who is the 'he' you asy is Turkish?

[Mr. T]

Only Turks/British (and some other USA puppets) have a problem with Cyprus my friend. Cyprus joined the EU by meeting all the criteria and because another EU member (Greece) wanted Cyprus in. (like UK wanted Poland and some others in). I hope you understand EU is not the UK and it is not ruled by the British.

Each EU country will take its own decisions regarding its stance in the conflict between two non-Eu countries, as it happened in the case of Kosovo, which is part of the sovereign territory of Serbia, but still some EU countries choose to go against that independent and sovereign country and support the separatists.

What I can tell you from now is that Cyprus will not recognize any separate state in Georgia, or anywhere else, unless this is a UN decision.

If other EU countries want to have a united show of support, they should start by supporting Cyprus, an EU member, which is occupied by the non-EU member, Turkey.

It is rather pathetic to automatically label countries as puppets of the USA because they do not agree with your political views. This is on par with children of primary school age calling others names. Please grow up.

Your statement of the reasons of why countries have joined the EU is equally childish and Greece wanting Cyprus to join (comparable to 'I want Costas in my team') is not how it works. Surely your knowledge is not that poor.

To write 'I hope you understand EU is not the UK and it is not ruled by the British. ' is just pathetic and cannot justify any other response.

Perhaps you will have a better understanding of matters after you leave school.

You obviously do not agree with the aims in the EU to have a common foreign policy but that is your right.

Finally I note you believe that the most important thing that the EU can do is to support Cyprus. I would be interested to know in what manner they should be giving support to Cyprus that it is not already getting.

Mr. T saying words like "pathetic", "childish" etc, will not change the facts that I said earlier.

It is well known that USA leads a group of countries who follow whatever the Americans order, and the UK is the country which does exactly what the Americans order all the time. If you didn't realize this fact then you need to grow some brain.

As far as how EU countries join, it is exactly as I explained earlier. The countries who are already members decide which other countries they want to allow in their Union and which they don't want, as long as those countries meet some criteria. This is how all (apart from the initial countries) joined.

Did you think that the countries that join are only those that the British like? If you didn't like Cyprus to join then why you didn't veto our entry? Because then Greece would veto the accession of the countries that you wanted in. So it is time to realize that you don't own the EU and you don't do whatever you want in it. Cyprus and Greece and far more integrated EU members than the UK, who did not adopt the Euro and does not want to enter the Schengen agreement, and they instead prefer to have closer ties with the USA than the EU.

And "common EU foreign policy" doesn't mean "UK policy" I hope you realize this.

If EU wants to have a common policy then the first thing they should do is to protect their own members, so their own members will not need alliances with 3rd countries in order to support their interests from external threads.

I have read quite a few of your posts since joining this forum and it immediately became evident that you are the most blinkered GC contributor on the forum and once you have got something into your mind and no matter what proof is placed before you you adhere to your preconceived views.

This is again proved by you saying that facts are facts when they are not. I am not sure whether you continue in your ignorance or whether this is a stance you take for fun.

I don't admire the USA and like many here in Britain cannot understand why we go to their aide so often but to say that we do it because we are ordered to do so is stupid to the 'nth degree. Perhaps you believe this in which case that is sad.

What is this rubbish about Britain and vetoing Cyprus's entry to the EU. It is not a matter of not liking a country it is a matter of what one considers is good for ones country and for the EU. We didn't think Cyprus joining was a bad thing at the time. You probably don't remember that it was touch and go whether Greece entered the EU when it did due to it being so backward at the time. Your idea that Greece would veto countries joining that Britain and others were happy to let join does not hold water as being a fairly insignificant member state Greece behaving in such a manner would not be in its interest and I doubt that they would behave that irresponsibly anyway. They are not Russia after all.

Your second explanation of the system for entry to the EU although basic is somewhat better than your first entry whereby you basically said that Cyprus joined because Greece wanted Cyprus as a member.

It is laughable that you consider yourself well integrated into the EU because you have adopted the euro and the Schengen agreement as have only 14 other member states. Adopting the euro should be an economic decision with the euro only replacing the national currency when the time is right not because of just keeping ones currency. It is apparent from your comment that you don't comprehend this. It is a decision that should not be taken lightly, particularly by small economies as interest rate decisions are taken to suit the economies of the large nations such as Germany and France and such decisions could be the opposite of what smaller countries need. South Cyprus may yet suffer from the rush to lose the Cyprus £.

You have responded with the expected drivel but not answered my question. If there is any point to your comment about EU support please do .

Ok...he's turkish

Who is the 'he' you say is Turkish?

[Mr. T]

Mr T obviously does not know much about the EU,

"You probably don't remember that it was touch and go whether Greece entered the EU when it did due to it being so backward at the time. "

Greece was an associate member of the EU since 1963, while Britain entered in 1972. Greece completed its accession process in 1980. which had started way before Britain was ever allowed to even think of joining. Recall those resounding "Non" from General DeGaulle? They were not directed at Greece. Now we know he had a point.

Deviously clever these Greeks joining the EU even before it came into existence.

Not very clever this Nikitas who expresses superior knowledge of the EU but doesn't even know when the EU commenced.

[Oracle]

Mr T obviously does not know much about the EU,

"You probably don't remember that it was touch and go whether Greece entered the EU when it did due to it being so backward at the time. "

Greece was an associate member of the EU since 1963, while Britain entered in 1972. Greece completed its accession process in 1980. which had started way before Britain was ever allowed to even think of joining. Recall those resounding "Non" from General DeGaulle? They were not directed at Greece. Now we know he had a point.

Deviously clever these Greeks joining the EU even before it came into existence.

Not very clever this Nikitas who expresses superior knowledge of the EU but doesn't even know when the EU commenced.

History of the EU

The origins of European integration date back to the end of World War II. The war had left Europe in ruins and prompted the search for a lasting peace and, in particular, the need to bring about lasting reconciliation between France and Germany.

One of the first initiatives was the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) established by the Treaty of Paris in 1951. On 9 May 1950 Robert Schuman, the French Foreign Minister, proposed that French and German coal and steel production should be 'pooled'. Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands joined France and Germany in setting up the ECSC and merging national interests in these industries.

In 1957 the six members of the ECSC formed the European Economic Community (EEC) and began the process of developing a common market for goods and services. The Treaties of Rome, signed in March 1957, created the EEC and the European Atomic Energy Community. The Common Agricultural Policy to support farmers was established.

Since 1957, the EEC has seen five stages of enlargement, and now brings together 25 countries in what is known as the European Union (EU). Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom joined in 1973; Greece in 1981; Portugal and Spain in 1986; Austria, Finland and Sweden in 1995; Cyprus, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Slovakia, Slovenia on May 1st, 2004.

The first direct elections to the European Parliament were held in 1979. Before that its members were drawn from national parliaments.

Another notable development took place in 1987 with the coming into force of the Single European Act which set out the timetable for the creation of the Single Market by 1993. This brought about the world's largest trading area and the free movement of goods, capital, people and services.

The term "European Union" was introduced by the Maastricht Treaty in November 1993. The Treaty established new areas of European co-operation in foreign and security policy, and justice and home affairs. The new Treaty also set out a timetable for economic and monetary union and the introduction of a single currency. Further changes were introduced by the Treaty of Amsterdam in 1999. In particular, the powers of the European Parliament were given a major boost and increased cooperation in foreign policy and home affairs was established.

Further enlargement of the European Union is on the cards as more countries from Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean have applied to join. In order to allow the EU to function effectively with a much larger membership, member states agreed to a new EU Treaty in Nice in December 2000.

A special Convention -the Convention on the Future of Europe- proposed a constitutional Treaty setting out new arrangements to enable an enlarged EU to work.

In February 2002, the euro became the sole currency of 12 EU countries. Denmark, Sweden and the UK remained outside the eurozone. The 10 new countries will adopt the euro only when they fulfil certain economic criteria, namely, a high degree of price stability, a sound fiscal situation, stable exchange rates and converged long-term interest rates. The European Central Bank contributes to the decision-making on future euro are members. (www.ecb.int).

[Oracle]

I guess the stage is set for another Republican in the White House ...

Actually that could be a logical explanation. Lets see in a few weeks if the Republicans will try to use this and if there is any change in the polls.

Putin suggests U.S. role in Georgia clash

By Clifford J. Levy
Published: August 29, 2008

MOSCOW: As Russia struggled to rally international support for its military action in Georgia, Vladimir Putin, the country's paramount leader, lashed out at the United States on Thursday, contending that the White House may have orchestrated the conflict to benefit one of the candidates in the American presidential election.

I think Putin agrees with us .....

[utu]

I think Putin agrees with us .....

I think that this anti-USA rhetoric is a rather knee-jerk reaction. Here in Canada, we do look askance at our southern neighbors from time to time, but even we don't blame the USA for EVERYTHING.

In any case, Russia - by it's unilateral recognition of Georgian territory it seized - has made things rather awkward for Cyprus, given the division of the island. Belarus - a staunch supporter of Russia - is just about to take the recognition plunge and follow Russia's recognition, which will make the situation rather more difficult. So, if the upcoming inter-Cypriot negotiations fail, it is going to be looked at by some nations (not the USA) that partition is going to remain and that given the Abkazia/South Ossetia precedent set by Russia, they might as well start recognizing the north as an independent country. Who here is going to support Russia if that happens, and who here will blame the USA for it?

[Viewpoint]

Its getting real interesting how will the object at the UN security council? bloody hypocrites.

[miltiades]

Utu , the Cypriots blame America when there is a drought , its a decease that inflicted our people many years ago , there is antidote , but what there is , and plenty of it , is Americanodaxtilo .American finger. Go into any coffee shop , market place or any other public area and you will hear the same shit time and time again. O Americanos this o Americanos that . We shit our selves and blame the Americans , we sneeze and blame the Americans , we are different from those in Al Qaeda who blame America for everything !! We blame America for being more powerful than us !!

[utu]

Utu , the Cypriots blame America when there is a drought , its a decease that inflicted our people many years ago , there is antidote , but what there is , and plenty of it , is Americanodaxtilo .American finger. Go into any coffee shop , market place or any other public area and you will hear the same shit time and time again. O Americanos this o Americanos that . We shit our selves and blame the Americans , we sneeze and blame the Americans , we are different from those in Al Qaeda who blame America for everything !! We blame America for being more powerful than us !!

Then they're probably going to blame America for what Venezuela is going to do. News reports say that Hugo Chavez is going to offically recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia, follwing Russia's lead. Chavez is doing it only because it isn't what America wants to see. Realpolitik reverse psychology, I think. Supporting Russia because of America, so it's America's fault... Will America also be blamed (and Russia thanked) should the Inter-Cypriot negotiations go bad?

[Bananiot]

I put it down to jealousy and inherent sympathy for the underdog. Probably it is more complex than this, though. Stupidity plays a big part too. We will support anyone who is an enemy to our enemy, real or imaginary. Thus, we secretly prayed for Saddam and secretly rejoiced at the blow dealt to America on September 11. We hate the Jews because they ... killed Christ and the rebelled Greeks committed ethnic cleansing in Tripolitsa around 1822 by slaughtering the Turks who had surrended and wiping out the Jewish community of the town. Such were the horror of the act that the sympathetic to the Greek cause French volunteers left Greece in disgust. Of course, these details are not found in school history books and the Greek atrocities at the time are blamed on others and you can guess I suppose who bears the blame for them.