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[Viewpoint]

This subject has been dominating everyones agenda today here in the North, its getting to fever pitch as everyone has some sort of connection to GC property, TCs are saying they will no longer cross to the south for fear of being arrested and will stop and question anyone snooping around their homes, its only a matter of time before something has to give, either an arrest of an English person this should make the brits or their government happy or the arrest of a TC, you can imagine what effect that would have, or an arguement between owner and occupier escalating into a fight, and hey presto 2 years of intercommunity goodwill building down the drain. Do you think this is the right way to address things, as Soyer says only 1% of GC property has been developed, is this just another well orchastrated plan by GCs (a modern day version of what Cypriots went through in the 1960s?) to keep the north in economic isolation???GCs should in my opinion be constructive and proactive working with TCs to build economic development in other areas eg tourism under the strict agreement from TCs that the building on GC land would stop. Instead these court cases and arrest warrants will cause friction between our communities and prolong any chance of a solution. The TCs are also preparing to take the "RoC" and people in the south to court as well, where will this all end? Cemented Partition?

[Kifeas]

However, now we have legal proceedings against individuals. Suddenly, my problem is with the individual TC who lives in my house, rather than with Turkey as an occupying power. Or inversely for the TCs, suddenly my problem is an individual GC who is trying to kick me out of the house I live in, not the RoC for depriving me of my rights.

Thus we open the way for personal hatred between GC and TC citizens, and destroy the amicable climate that has prevailed since the partial lifting of restrictions to movement.

From this point of personal hatred to actual violence, the gap is perilously small ...

I think we have to make a clear distinction here between the TC refugee from the south who was give a GC house and some property in order to earn a living for his family (like the RoC did for the GC refuges) or even the one who had to build a house in a GC plot in order to help his newly married son or daughter and the TC or foreigner property developer who illegally “buys” GC properties from poor TCs and settlers, for peanuts in most cases, in order to build houses and “sell” them to foreigners in order to make illegitimate profits.
I agree, the ordinary TCs of the first case, should not be taken to courts.
The TC developers and the foreign developers, as well as the foreign “buyers,” Should be taken to courts.
The TC developers are a very small minority and in most cases not the most popular people among the TCs. They use stolen land and exclusively very cheap labour from Turkey (average wage is UK£5 per day,) in order to make illegitimate mega profits for their own sake. They do not even generate any job opportunities for the TCs since, as we know, the entire TC construction work force commutes in the free areas for better salaries. Most of the profits go for the purchase of luxuries or in foreign bank accounts.
Therefore, I do not think taking TC developers to courts will influence the individual relations of the ordinary people of the two communities.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas you genuinely believe GCs will differentiate between these people, firstly it is was said no TCs but now we are seeing TCs getting summons papers to appear in court this will escalate as everyone feels they have a valid case, but this will do absoulutely nothing for a solution it will have the opposite effect. The only way to deal with property issue is an overall solution.

[Kifeas]

as Soyer says only 1% of GC property has been developed, is this just another well orchastrated plan by GCs (a modern day version of what Cypriots went through in the 1960s?) to keep the north in economic isolation????

Only 1% of GC proprty has been developed???

You must be joking!!!!!

More than 60% of GC property in Kyrenia, from Vasillia (Karsiyaka) untill Ayios Epiktitos (Catalgoy) and Bellabais have been developed. This is the most expensive land in the north and equates the value of the entire TC properties in the south.

Furthermore, 50% of GC properties from Famagusta (magusa) until Bogaz, including the villages of Trikomo, Ayios sergios, Enkomi, Spathariko (iskele, Yenibogazi, Tulza, Otuken,) have also been developed. This equates to 50% of the total value of TC properties in the south.

The development of GC properties in Kyrenia and Famagusta regions has already existed the total value of TC properties in the south by 150%. If we include the development in other areas plus the amount of property that is will be retained by TC refugees if they choose to remain in the north after a solution, then this excessive use of GC land is already reaching the ratio of 300% more than the TC property in the south.
These are the results of land research in Kyrenia and Famagusta and with the use of very high resolution digital satellite images.

Who will pay all these money??????

[Kifeas]

Kifeas you genuinely believe GCs will differentiate between these people, firstly it is was said no TCs but now we are seeing TCs getting summons papers to appear in court this will escalate as everyone feels they have a valid case, but this will do absoulutely nothing for a solution it will have the opposite effect. The only way to deal with property issue is an overall solution.

I said I do not agree with summons against ordinary TC refugees.
However I agree for legal action against TC developers (crooks) and British developers (two times Crooks.)

For your information no ordinary well-indented TC is taken to the court and no one will be taken. I am sure about this. I know the RoC is taking discrete measures with GC lawyers so that this is avoided.

Those who are most worried in the north and thus make the biggest noise are the TC developers (crooks,) who use their influence to push the media and the "authorities" in the north to take "action."

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas I still feel these figures are exaggerated, how comes you have so much detailed information available are you making it up????
If your figures are right, you have nothing to come back to why all the fuss about returning???it all been developed.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas I still feel these figures are exaggerated, how comes you have so much detailed information available are you making it up????
If your figures are right, you have nothing to come back to why all the fuss about returning???it all been developed.

Some things cannot be told.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas I still feel these figures are exaggerated, how comes you have so much detailed information available are you making it up????
If your figures are right, you have nothing to come back to why all the fuss about returning???it all been developed.

I am talking in terms of real estate values not in terms of area (i.e. donums.) A donum on the seaside is not equal to a donum on a mountain without view.

[Viewpoint]

This is like me saying Cyprus is as big as Turkey i saw it all on satalite but i cant tell you where i got the info....please dont just pick figures out of thin air.

You didnt answer the second part of my post?

[metecyp]

Some things cannot be told.

What's your occupation Kifeas? I'm just curious.