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[EPSILON]

EPSILON , what on earth are on about. Why should te TC's apply for what you are recomending? TC's deserve to have their citizenship as Cypriots upheld, their language preserved nd their culture encouraged to live side by side as other groups in Cyprus.

Some times, i am sure that we do not understand each other in this forum.
of course T/Cs deserve what you are saying , the meaning of my post was to compare policies, the policy of a state with Military power (Turkey) and a Micky mouse state (Cyprus).

What I mean is that, just as an excersice - Lets say that ROC had the military power of Turkey and the last this of Roc. Can anybody in this forum consider that any solution plan would included provisions for equality of the 18 per cent to the 80 per cent? Can any one here considers that it would be , even a discussion , about sharing government on 50/50 basis? It would be any discussion about shelters appearance in the Island? Any right to Turkey to consider ,even one inch of Cyprus, as Turkish land? Any possibility a G/C to state that he is just a Cypriot or a "no Ethnicity" person?


If someone wants and looking for a "FAIR" solution then he has to take into consideration above theory. Otherwise there is no "FAIR" solution there is only a "Solution of necessity"-which of course will be colapsed immdly upon terms of power be changed.

ESPISLON SPOKE.

[repulsewarrior]

nice EPSISLON, thank-you.

[Nikitas]

Epsilon said:

"the meaning of my post was to compare policies, the policy of a state with Military power (Turkey) and a Micky mouse state (Cyprus). "

A subtle but important difference is that Cyprus can afford and pay for its military. Can Turkey pay for its own without massive American aid?

[miltiades]

Epsilon said:

"the meaning of my post was to compare policies, the policy of a state with Military power (Turkey) and a Micky mouse state (Cyprus). "

A subtle but important difference is that Cyprus can afford and pay for its military. Can Turkey pay for its own without massive American aid?

I'm afraid I have to agree with EPSILON on this one !!
Just like Tom and Jerry the mickey mouse fictitious characters that do not in reality exist , so is his imaginary GREEK REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS !
In calling the GRoC a Mickey Mouse nation , he is of course correct , since no such entity exists on this planet , a mere figment of his imagination just as Goofy and Donald Duck !!!

[Oracle]

Epsilon said:

"the meaning of my post was to compare policies, the policy of a state with Military power (Turkey) and a Micky mouse state (Cyprus). "

A subtle but important difference is that Cyprus can afford and pay for its military. Can Turkey pay for its own without massive American aid?

I'm afraid I have to agree with EPSILON on this one !!
Just like Tom and Jerry the mickey mouse fictitious characters that do not in reality exist , so is his imaginary GREEK REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS !
In calling the GRoC a Mickey Mouse nation , he is of course correct , since no such entity exists on this planet , a mere figment of his imagination just as Goofy and Donald Duck !!!

Given your propensity to misunderstand even reality, it's no wonder you have totally missed the point of EPSILONS' hypothetical scenario.

He was making us visualise how, given Might, we would have had the freedom to gain what we wanted as a self-determining nation, and not what we are dictated to by foreign nations.

So where does the Greek come into it? .... Other than that if we had self-determination and wanted to call Cyprus a Greek island we could! ... But who would choose to do so, in this Day and age since we have a great partnership with Greece in the EU, and need nor want, any closer alliance. If we were free of the Turks' attempts to erode this connection, it would not even come up for discussion or even be noticeable in our every day lives. It's like when you go on a diet and suddenly you can't think of anything but food ... same here! Because Turkey is trying to take Greekness away from us, we are compelled to think about it more ... easy enough paradigma ... (p.s. substitute red wine for food if easier still )

[miltiades]

Precisely O , imaginary scenarios , where events are a mere figment of ones imagination.
Here again you misunderstood the point that I was making , which was pouring scorn on his signature , something I have done before on a number of occasions since there is no such entity as the Greek Republic of Cyprus !!
I fully understand your passion with " Greekness " you being half a Greek , but you must also understand my passion with Cypriotness me being 100% Cypriot . You can not deny a native of a nation his birthright , that of his real ethnicity as depicted on his Birth Certificate , ID and all other relative documents.

[humanist]

EPSILON, thank you for the clarifying post above. I think we do missunderstand each other many times. There's also the lack of wanting to understand sometimes too. I do agree about a solution of necessity most definetely and I agree that neither Turkey or Greece should have any say or claim to the Island. It needs to be let go for the stability of the region. Demilitarisation of the island would mean that there is no need for foreign troops including the English, now there's the key to a solution. more coast for the south state of a federal republic of Cyprus and with the TC's agreeing to give alittle more coast to the south perhaps from Apostolos Andreas around to Ayia Napa.

The other thing that can also happen is that the north and south states to remain approximately the same as todays green line with the return of varosha and Apostolos Andreas. with the North state government comprising 48% GC 52% TC, south 52%GC, 48 TC and the federal State sitting in Lefkosia 80% - 18% perhaps with a smaller Territory called Cyprus Capital Territory.

[Oracle]

Precisely O , imaginary scenarios , where events are a mere figment of ones imagination.
Here again you misunderstood the point that I was making , which was pouring scorn on his signature , something I have done before on a number of occasions since there is no such entity as the Greek Republic of Cyprus !!
I fully understand your passion with " Greekness " you being half a Greek , but you must also understand my passion with Cypriotness me being 100% Cypriot . You can not deny a native of a nation his birthright , that of his real ethnicity as depicted on his Birth Certificate , ID and all other relative documents.

Look at the sky and not your feet.

It is his post we are discussing and not his signature .... you need to detach yourself to analyse his post without some carry-over of prejudice ... because you mostly harp back to that.

As I said, one only constantly thinks about Greekness (food) because Turks want to take it away (diet/starvation).

[CopperLine]

It might be worth getting a sense of historical perspective and comparison here. First, the economic difficulties facing Turkey are, in the short run, nothing as severe as those which it suffered in the late 70s, in the 80s, in the late 90s, or the early part of this decade. I agree there are huge structural problems - but these are faced by all OECD economies to a greater or lesser extent. Thus Turkey is NOT less capable of supporting TRNC than before. It is a question of whether the AKP in particular wish to do so and in what way and for what purpose.

Second, whether supported by Turkey or not, does an economic crisis in TRNC more likely lead to a retrenchment of Turkish Cypriot separatism or does it more likely lead to an opening to the RoC ? (In any case it depends what kind of economic crisis and what its dynamics are).

Third, wishing for a crisis in expectation of throwing off the yoke of powerful forces is usually a daft wish in the absence of an organised movement or party. It is the already-powerful who survive crises, who suffer least, who are capable of offsetting damage, not the poor, the weak or the powerless. Just compare the size and weight of the Turkish economy with that of Cyprus, RoC or TRNC.

I'd have thought a better strategy would be to reflect on economic crises as affecting ordinary Cypriots and others and using that as a basis for common solidarity. Workers of all lands unite.

[pantheman]

You can not deny a native of a nation his birthright , that of his real ethnicity as depicted on his Birth Certificate , ID and all other relative documents

Miltiades, this is exactly what the turks and bananiot are trying to do to the GCs.

You have made a very good point here, very direct, accurate and well done.

And for this reason we must not let them.