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[Viewpoint]

There wouild be enough manpower if we put out an international ad campaign asking for TC workmen from the UK to return to Cyprus to work for a decent wage. Doing it on the cheap is not the way to go on this one.

How many TC workers do you know of in the UK, you are clutching at straws. A construction project of this size need manpower from all over the world.

[repulsewarrior]

welcome Cem, good post, worth thinking about.

as for Famagusta, there will be workers from the EU who will join with the workforce here as the tradesmen who build. For their help, the labour, it is likely that Maris, or Famagusta would not be a project which is exclusively "Greek" or "Turkish", most likely it would be neither because there will exist a United Republic of Cyprus, as well as two constituencies, and it is the people as the Republic that will decide Foreign Labour Policy.

[repulsewarrior]

Cem would you kindly read these post and leave your comments, I am curious...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19022

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16772

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... c&start=30

[Oracle]

Have all these people gone mad

If there are squatters occupying my house, I don't start worrying about how to redecorate the kitchen and which contractors to use ...

[Magnus]

Sorry to jump in here, but it seems to me that locking the TCs/Turks away behind the line will do more to help them than hinder them. Apart from giving them another chance to play the victim ('we're starving and nobody will help us!') isolating them completely will only break ties with that part of Cyprus and give them a chance to push towards recognition and permanent partition.

The smart thing to do would be to make it unprofitable for them to come and go everyday. For example, hefty charges for anyone crossing into the free areas from the occupied territory and removal of benefits for individuals residing in the occupied area on the grounds that they are actively supporting the occupation and thereby committing treason. Certain exceptions should only be made for those individuals that can verify that they were residing in those areas before 1974.

As for the redevelopment of any areas that are returned to RoC control, then it makes more sense that any redevelopment should go to RoC firms. Surely the individuals in the 'TRNC' have had enough benefits from those areas for long enough without rewarding them with reconstruction contracts.

Call me cynical but I see no reason why the RoC should help the 'TRNC' economy in any way when there is no guarantee of a solution and even less possibility that a BBF will last. Why should the people of the RoC help those that actively support an illegal and immoral occupation? Why help them out of their financial crisis just so they can stab the RoC in the back later down the line?

I know this is a blunt comment but the truth is, most people just want the land back. Does anyone actually care about what happens to the Turks/TCs?

[humanist]

Yes I do care what happens to the TC's and I do care what happens to settlers too. Having said that, I believe that Turkey ought to be held responsible fr the settlers and be made too look after them.

As for TC's I believe that they ought to be encouraged to thrive in Cyprus as part of the Cypriot society. I believe Cyprus has a unique cutluer because of the TC presence over the past centuries. Who I really want out is the thoughless, Irish, Jews, and Russians that are buying stolen land. By the way Magnus most people want freedom they are really not all that interested in the land. The RoC needs to take a register of thse willing to accept compensation and never return, those who will have their land back and sell it privately and those who will settle in the now occupied areas of Cyprus once freedom shines upon our Island.

[Nikitas]

If the TCs do not become stakeholders in a joint economy then they will become Turks in the total sense of the word. It is a matter of choice.

Accepting them as inhabitants of Cyprus with no participation rights, as suggested above, is total nonsense.

[Magnus]

OK, I probably expressed that comment the wrong way. What I meant is that in my experience, the majority of GCs I know are more interested in getting the occupied areas back as part of Cyprus, but aren't really concerned with what will happen to the Turks/TCs occupying the properties. The fate of the Turkish 'settlers' and TC individuals who are in GC properties should be resolved by the whoever is in charge of the 'TRNC' and Turkey.

It's not about getting the land back as a commodity, it's about getting the land back as part of a unified Cyprus and all the emotional value of having their ancestral lands and homes back.

As for not letting them participate, I didn't say that. I suggested that there is no reason why the RoC should reward people who not only support an illegal occupation but actively promote it and try to take the benefits from both sides. If someone stole my TV should I go and pay their electricity bill for them to watch it? These people should receive no benefits from the RoC for as long as they are active in supporting her enemies.

Also, I didn't say it would be forever. As soon as there is a solution then of course the TCs and whoever else is legal to reside in Cyprus will have the same rights. The restrictions I suggested would be a short-term measure to encourage a solution as I can see no logical reason why the RoC should have to bail out the 'TRNC' economy.

If the RoC or 'Greek Cypriot Constituent State' or whatever is to be saddled with an economically crippled sister-state then at least let it be under a unified state and not a moment before. As soon as these people become part of a unified Cyprus then the unified Cyprus has an obligation to help them. Before then it is the 'TRNC' and mama Tourkiye who should look after them.

Obviously there will be cries of 'you should help us because you are responsible for the economic restrictions' but that really doesn't wash with me. If you choose to support an illegal occupation then you deserve the consequences. Nobody gave a toss about all those people driven out of their homes during the invasion, what they were going to eat and where they were going to live so why the hell should I care about the people that caused that suffering now that the wheel has turned?

I don't want to see people starve or whatever, but it's the 'TRNC's' responsibilty to sort them out.

[Oracle]

There is a reason why those economic restrictions are in place and if they were not working they should be tightened to achieve the aim which is to isolate and end the illegal conduct being perpetrated by these criminals.

Personally I care about the Turk/TCs as I care about any living creature. I don't want them to starve to death or suffer unduly. But they are just people and it does not matter to me whether they are Turkish or "Turkish Cypriots" ... I do not discriminate between them.

But no more would be the responsibility of the RoC, than departed from the free areas in 1974 once a solution is found. If 70,000 "TC"s left in 1974 to partner the Turks in the illegitimate occupation of part of Cyprus, then 70,000 can rejoin ... but I do not care whether they are Turks or "TC"s ... they are all the same to me after mixing for 3 decades.

[EPSILON]

Economic crisis wraps Turkish Cypriot cabinet in jail stripes
Saturday, August 9, 2008

ISTANBUL - Turkish Daily News


The economic crisis and chronic rise in prices have led to unusual acts of protests in northern Cyprus. Successive rises in oil, electricity and grocery prices, and vehicle fees have drawn a strong reaction from civil society.

Prominent unions and nongovernmental organizations in the country have undertaken an unusual campaign of protest. Protestors from 38 labor unions and NGOs published and distributed posters portraying Turkish Cypriot cabinet members as the Dalton brothers from the Lucky Luke cartoons, daily Kıbrıs Postası reported. Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer, Foreign Minister Turgay Avcı, Finance Minister Ahmet Uzun, and Labor and Social Security Minister Sonay Adem are pictured as Avarell, Joe, Jack and William Dalton, who rob banks and trains in the cartoon.

The press statement at the back of the posters, titled “Price hikes are not fate,” called on the public to put the posters up in their offices, houses and cars. It said the government “ripped off the people despite the discourse of self-rule.” Therefore the members of the cabinet, who are like the Daltons because of their offenses against the public, earned themselves the title “Zamtons,” it said. Labor union members also hung posters in their offices reading “For sale. Apply to the Prime Ministry.”

On another front, the Northern Cyprus Hoteliers Association has put its hotels up for sale, placing ads in newspapers. Expressing its criticism of the government's tourism policies via the ads, the association's published statement read, “In order to save our honor, we decided to sell our hotels.”

Meanwhile Turkish Cypriot Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer said they had “asked YTL 200 million from Turkey, but Ankara did not give them any money,” daily Milliyet reported Friday. Opposition parties claimed that the Soyer government had burdened the economy with over-employment.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=112084

I can't help wondering as to why they are refused the extra bucks...is there something "turkey=fascist state" expecting and she ain't getting, like the 13th salary in the past?

And how long is this gonna last...surely "turkey=fascist state" must realise this is gonna alienate the tcs...whats the point of all this?

When MURAT and his father ORHAN occupying Greek territories they were giving financial help and freedom to Greeks in Nekomedeia and other Greek cities on the only term Greeks to became Muslims and members of Ottoman Empire.

T/Cs (Shelters excluded) can apply for Greek or Greek Cypriot citizenship and Ordodox religion and their financial problems will be solved the next day