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[humanist]

yeah well now that you point it out, I can see very clearly as to why it doesn't hold wine :):) water even

[Cem]

The TCs unable to survive on the island will leave, and those that stay, dragged down to the level of settlers from Anatolia will be too few to matter. End result will be a totally foreign presence in the north.

And there is yet more to come from Anatolian side...
The wild capitalists and all kind of rich crooks under the disguised profile of "investors" will pour into Cyprus.
They will drag along the cheap and "obedient" workers all the way from Anatolia while the true TCs will either emigrate to EU/UK and elsewhere.

So at the end of the day, there will be two republics on the island:
The Republic of Turkey in north and RoC in the south.

To those who wish to see end of TC by way of economic collapse, I would say:
"Enjoy the company of your new neighbours ".

Bankrupting the TCs is not the way out of the impasse.

Exact, at last a "rational" voice as opposed to likes of Oracle and Pantheman.

Opening up Famagusta is one way, but the TCs themselves cannot decide on that. I tried to make an estimate of the reconstruction of the town and even doing it as conservatively as I can the figure is 5 billion Euro. A large part of that represents salaries which would go to TC engineers, contractors and labor. Naturally the cost would be born by the owners of the rebuilt properties. And the advantage of the project is that it does not depend on tourism. But I do not see it happening any time soon

Opening up Famagusta would only be a partial solution. All remains to be seen as to how how Talat(Turkey) and Xtofias (E.U) will solve the CyProb.
We need a complete solution, not a partial one.

[halil]

We should close the crossings, stop them coming over for work, stop paying their pensions and free health care and strangle the bastards. Let Mama Turkey pay the full bills and see just how long they last.

By helping them we deserve everything we get. They don't give a shit about us (living proof, VP,ZAN, SHAH, BIG AL, HALIL, ERIC DAYI, MR....NG,) so why do we even care?

Honestly, leave it to me and they would be out of cyprus in a flash.

Well I have to hand it to ya guys (TCs/TR) you have really turned me. I was all for reconciliation and solutions and what not, but the bitter venon you guys spew everyday on this forum just shows the kind of people I maybe sharing this Island with. Well no thanks. You have done a good job on me and propably others too.

You should consider yourselves lucky I am not the president, then you will have a F problem.

have a nice F day.

Nikitas, I respect you man, but that is the biggest load of bollocks you have ever written here IMHO. Help them? Help them?, ma eisai me ta kalla sou vre? O diavolos pou na tous pari is what I say.

Dream Pentaman ,
we are not at 60's anymore .....
no one is asking a piece of bread from you .............
TC's has passed the dark days of 1964 .... when there was a queues for Red crescents helps were coming us ....
we used to eat just few olives and bread at 63's now those days are gone .
all the restaurants and entertainment places are full up with people . we are enjoying our lives but we do protest our goverment too .we are demanding more provement and more work from them .To demand from them is our rights .

your dream never will come , we will achive it ....

our days are always fine .who cares about your F day ................ as long as you don't care others .

[Viewpoint]

We should close the crossings, stop them coming over for work, stop paying their pensions and free health care and strangle the bastards. Let Mama Turkey pay the full bills and see just how long they last.

By helping them we deserve everything we get. They don't give a shit about us (living proof, VP,ZAN, SHAH, BIG AL, HALIL, ERIC DAYI, MR....NG,) so why do we even care?

Honestly, leave it to me and they would be out of cyprus in a flash.

Well I have to hand it to ya guys (TCs/TR) you have really turned me. I was all for reconciliation and solutions and what not, but the bitter venon you guys spew everyday on this forum just shows the kind of people I maybe sharing this Island with. Well no thanks. You have done a good job on me and propably others too.

You should consider yourselves lucky I am not the president, then you will have a F problem.

have a nice F day.

Nikitas, I respect you man, but that is the biggest load of bollocks you have ever written here IMHO. Help them? Help them?, ma eisai me ta kalla sou vre? O diavolos pou na tous pari is what I say.

Agree with 100% in reverse, the venom and wanting to get back at us for 1974 is so obvious we will never capitulate to GCs and their demands to dominate and control the whole island. We are now equals communities and until you realize this accepting we have just as much say in a united country the status quo can take us where it wants.

[Nikitas]

Cem understands the consequences of TC bankruptcy, Halil and VP like to stick their heads in the sand.

All the equality in the world will not help a bankrupt community. The state dominated economy of the TRNC is a unique example, it is not like Turkey, where the free market is the way they do things. Letting the situation continue harms the TCs. I am surprised that people who clamour for "equality" etc do not see it.

As to the GC posts about letting the TCs go to hell. Just remember that in the event of a solution an impoverished and bankrupt TC community will be a burden on the WHOLE economy. It is a mistake to use the economy as a weapon in this case as it was in 1963.

If we were really clever we would state now that when the town is returned ALL of the Varosha reconstruction would be handled by TC firms, as long as they can PROVE that they are TC owned, and employ only TCs. It would turn Varosha into realisable asset for TCs, and also it is a sure way to bring the standard of living of the two communities to par quickly while excluding foreigners from the economy, focusing on non tourist development and doing so without spoiling land. It is conceivable that the majority of the TC work force could find lucrative work in a project like that.

[Oracle]

There are a number of posters who come on this forum to scare the GCs into accepting a quick solution (in favour of Turk/TCs) to the Cyprus problem.

The predominant tactic for capitulating to this easy, fast-food solution, is that we are morally obliged to save the TCs from extinction, caused by their saviours, the Turks, no less!

This voguish trend is surely the brainchild of the less than cerebrally- gifted Turks.

How transparent! The Turks set about colonizing the occupied areas with settlers and wait for the feint-hearted TCs to do what they do best ... RUN .... then use this effluence, to blackmail the GCs into accepting Turkey's solutions.

Turkey you insult yourself (if that were possible) by believing you would get any more support than a few from the likes of Bananiot and Miltiades, men who should have long retired, if not through aged bones, at least aged cranium.

Andros was a good example of this type of disguised Turk, intent on training us to accept any Turkish offers for fear of what might happen to the TCs.

It seems we have another in that mould. This Cem; perhaps an Andros re-birthed since his exposure as a Turk, now doing away with that stupid disguise .... but the message is the same.

My view is still the same. After 34 years of what the TCs have brought upon us all, I view the TCs as pretty much the same as Turks.

When we find the right solution, the RoC should accommodate back as many individuals as were "lost" as TCs in 1974 (allowing for natural fluctuations in population) ... and they can be made up of whatever colour of Turk .. TC / Settler ... Who cares! Turks in Turks out!

But I would refuse to accept any more than the number that "left" to partner the Turks in 1974.

So if the "TC"s want saving because they think they are unique/special ... then SAVE YOURSELVES .... to me you are now just occupying Turks - I refuse to discriminate between you anymore!

[Oracle]

Cem = Andros

[Viewpoint]

Cem understands the consequences of TC bankruptcy, Halil and VP like to stick their heads in the sand.

All the equality in the world will not help a bankrupt community. The state dominated economy of the TRNC is a unique example, it is not like Turkey, where the free market is the way they do things. Letting the situation continue harms the TCs. I am surprised that people who clamour for "equality" etc do not see it.

As to the GC posts about letting the TCs go to hell. Just remember that in the event of a solution an impoverished and bankrupt TC community will be a burden on the WHOLE economy. It is a mistake to use the economy as a weapon in this case as it was in 1963.

If we were really clever we would state now that when the town is returned ALL of the Varosha reconstruction would be handled by TC firms, as long as they can PROVE that they are TC owned, and employ only TCs. It would turn Varosha into realisable asset for TCs, and also it is a sure way to bring the standard of living of the two communities to par quickly while excluding foreigners from the economy, focusing on non tourist development and doing so without spoiling land. It is conceivable that the majority of the TC work force could find lucrative work in a project like that.

Maras is part of the overall deal, TC developers only use Turkish workers as manpower so your suggestion would not be praticle, there would not be enough manpower.

[halil]

Nikitas,
we had economical crisis before , if i am not wrong it was after 2000 .too many banks were bankrupt and Lot's of people were lost their moneys ...
we came over it and we will do it again .Our heads are not in sand don't worry . we will not collapse .

in democraticaly way we are trying to find solutions . we can make demonstration and protesting the price increases also many things we can make ...at the end we will achive it .

[Nikitas]

There wouild be enough manpower if we put out an international ad campaign asking for TC workmen from the UK to return to Cyprus to work for a decent wage. Doing it on the cheap is not the way to go on this one.