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Brutal House Price Crash in England

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Postby Feisty » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:03 pm

Z4 wrote:It's all pie in the sky stuff Feisty. It says price COULD fall.

The more expensive your house is the bigger it can drop. I think the smaller houses the owners are ok as these keep the whole property world going


The problem is that at the lower end of the market first time buyers cannot get mortgages without a 20% deposit which the bigger majority don't have so it is and will continue to hit all houses.
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Postby johnny1 » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:23 pm

im still looking to buy a house here in cyprus but some of the houses i have been to see and the price they was asking for was a joke.some weeks ago by coincidence i went to see the same house by 2 different real estate agents and the one was almost 10.000 euros higher,so i can imagine how much the other was trying to make also.im gonna stick it out and wait cause i reckon some bargains are about to happen.
im still looking for a house detached in nicosia if anyone hears of a bargain please get in touch.thanks
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Postby Free Spirit » Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:42 pm

johnny1 wrote:im still looking to buy a house here in cyprus but some of the houses i have been to see and the price they was asking for was a joke.some weeks ago by coincidence i went to see the same house by 2 different real estate agents and the one was almost 10.000 euros higher,so i can imagine how much the other was trying to make also.im gonna stick it out and wait cause i reckon some bargains are about to happen.
im still looking for a house detached in nicosia if anyone hears of a bargain please get in touch.thanks


If you really want to upset an ex pat property owner just tell them that value of their property has fallen.
It's not just sales that are unrealistic but rentals as well, many rentals are still available over a year since they were placed on the market.
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Postby nigeyboy » Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:51 pm

It all goes up in price in the long term. If you want short term rewards steer clear of property. I love the property debate when it's full of experts "from down the pub" !!
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Postby dinos » Sun Aug 31, 2008 12:04 am

nigeyboy wrote:It all goes up in price in the long term. If you want short term rewards steer clear of property. I love the property debate when it's full of experts "from down the pub" !!


Nigeyboy, you've obviously never been to Love Canal or Detroit... :lol: :lol:
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Postby Johnson&Johnson » Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:39 am

Dinos is absolutely right, some property markets have boomed, crashed and never recovered, or at least not recovered for decades.

the adage that 'property always goes up in the long run' is untrue. it may APPEAR to only go up in the long run due to inflation. when you strip inflation out of the price then it looks very different.

saw this today:

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Housing properties in the red

First Published: 01/09/2008 08:05:59
Last Updated: 02/09/2008 08:01:18


According to a survey carried out and presented by StockWatch, the house and flat prices have dropped while property prices have stabilized. The survey, which includes real estate agents from all municipalities, shows that the crisis that started in Paphos has spread to the other seaside cities too except for Limassol, where the Russian purchases interest keep prices at last year’s level. The real estate agents talk about a significant decline in prices in non-seaside cities too.

The real estate agents noted that slump in sales to non-Cypriots expanded top domestic market too, exercising huge pressure on the property prices, which must be restrained so as not to decline further.

According to their statements to StockWatch, the house and flat prices have dropped, especially those destined to non-Cypriots. However, domestic demand faces problems too, since prices in non-tourist areas fall as well. On the other hand, it is quite impressing that the price of plots, fields, offices and shops has stabilized.

“Under the table” sales

StockWatch’s survey reflects the size of the crisis and the concerns for the prospects of the property market since the sellers have already admitted that they dropped their profits from 20% to 30% “under the table”.

For the time being, however, the advertising spots have not changed.

“If someone advertises in lower prices, the system will collapse”, one of the real estate agents said.

Sharp increase in the previous years

On the question whether there has been a drop or an increase in property prices, 11 of the 12 real estate agents replied that prices will drop or stabilize, while 1 said that prices will increase as a result of the increased construction cost.

The vast majority admitted that the price hikes in the past few years were unrealistic.

“We expect a depression just like in the CSE, where only the big funds survived”, an agent stated.

Another agent referred to a “tsunami that hits property market”, especially in external demand. “The sharp increase in property prices as a result of the huge demand by non-Cypriots and the uncertain future of economy make the investments in properties unfeasible for the Cypriots”, he noted.

According to latest Central Bank figures, the price of housing properties grew by 15% in 2007 against 10% in 2006, 12% in 2005, 20% in 2004 and 8% in 2003.

Reasons

Almost all real estate agents said that the drop in the domestic market is attributable to the bank interest rates, the inflationary pressures, and the increase in the deposits’ interest rate.

Part of them believes that the sales by the non-Cypriots, especially the British who cover 85% of the market, hit the stability of the property market.

“In order to take advantage of the difference between the sterling and the euro, the British sell their flats and houses either to buy in their country or in some other country such as Spain, where unsold houses and flats reach one million”.

Sharp drop of activity

The problem with the prices starts with the slump in demand. All 12 agents support that the in the seaside areas of Paphos, Larnaca and Ayia Napa the real estate agents are inactive.

“They beg us to sell them even a flat so as to give us 8% additional commission”, an agent from Nicosia said, while another from Larnaca stated that if the sales index stood at 100 in 2007, today fell to 5.

Limassol is the exception to the rule due to the Russians. “The Russians push sales up in Limassol and the city does not have to deal with the same problem”, the real estate agents concluded.
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Postby Z4 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:33 am

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Postby Nikitas » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:59 am

One problem with Cyprus property is the absolute lack of comparison with property in other areas of the Mediterranean. It is ridiculous to see prices of land in millions of Euros when land in much more favorable locations is selling for much less. Compare prices in Ayia Napa with the Roussillon in France, or with Toscana, Corsica, Sardenia etc.

The usual point of reference seems to be London because there are many Cypriots there. This is a nonsense comparison. London is a major capital, not a holiday or retirement spot.
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Postby Z4 » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:32 am

Nikitas wrote:One problem with Cyprus property is the absolute lack of comparison with property in other areas of the Mediterranean. It is ridiculous to see prices of land in millions of Euros when land in much more favorable locations is selling for much less. Compare prices in Ayia Napa with the Roussillon in France, or with Toscana, Corsica, Sardenia etc.

The usual point of reference seems to be London because there are many Cypriots there. This is a nonsense comparison. London is a major capital, not a holiday or retirement spot.



How can you compare the prices in Cyprus to France?

It's a different country so prices are going to be different and different factors are involved (i.e size of country, land available, salary, location, size of plot, nearest town, nearest airport etc etc there are loads). Just like prices on the Greek Islands and different to the Balearic's I guess.

When there is little land available this can push the price up I think, providing there is demand of course.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:58 am

Z4,

The comparison is not that unusual considering that much of the development and sales are aimed at expats and retirees.

From a non Cypriot potential buyer's point of view, then prices in Limassol surpass those of Arles in France then something is very skewed. Even as a Cypriot I am in a dilemma which to prefer.
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