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Brutal House Price Crash in England

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Postby RichardB » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:02 pm

Feisty wrote:
Z4 wrote:Well I think it is a good time to buy property in the UK now. There can be some bargains around.

We are considering buying a new house now.


With prices predicted to drop by up to 30% more I would think it's the last thing anyone would think about doing.


I cant see a drop of 30% Feisty .

It would put too many people into a negative equity situation

The Government would not let that happen it would end up bankrupting the country .They would intervene long before it got to that stage
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Postby dinos » Thu Aug 28, 2008 4:27 am

Nikitas wrote:Dinos said:

"The way I see it, the real long-term problem facing markets with significant amounts of holiday properties is going to rear it's head when retiring baby boomers start dying off. Lots of people croaking plus very few in a position to buy their second homes = potential problems worthy of further analysis."

Been thinking about this for some time now, more in connection with the demographic problem of Europe than the holiday home situation, although the two are connected.

The next generation, who will inherit the property owned by the present generation, will be fewer people as demographic studies show. Which means that wealth will be concentrated in fewer hands. Some countries with vicious tax policies, like the UK, will make it impossible to hold on to the property and, as buyers will be fewer, impossible to sell too, so the final choice will be to surrender the property to the state. In other countries with saner land policies the next generation is likely to contain a lot of landed people who will be rich, at least on paper. I wonder what the effects of this will be on society and the environment too.


Very good points raised vis-a-vis tax policies, etc. The same thing will happen stateside but will be more market driven. Even if the proverbial boomers were to leave a property to their kids, the kids are likely to be too stupid and / or undisciplined to share it amongst themselves. They'll be more likely to try and sell the properties and pocket the cash, which will sink prices drastically in states like Arizona, Florida, etc. Without concentrating on bringing business / industry in, post-boomer generations are likely to stay in states where they can make a decent salary.

My opinion, anyway, and is up for correction as the future unfolds...
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Postby Feisty » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:45 am

RichardB wrote:
Feisty wrote:
Z4 wrote:Well I think it is a good time to buy property in the UK now. There can be some bargains around.

We are considering buying a new house now.


With prices predicted to drop by up to 30% more I would think it's the last thing anyone would think about doing.


I cant see a drop of 30% Feisty .

It would put too many people into a negative equity situation

The Government would not let that happen it would end up bankrupting the country .They would intervene long before it got to that stage


It's the Bank Of England who are predicting it Richard and many other economists including one on the BBC this morning who said 35% drop by the end of 2010. Capital Economic they were called.
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Postby RichardB » Thu Aug 28, 2008 10:45 am

Feisty wrote:
RichardB wrote:
Feisty wrote:
Z4 wrote:Well I think it is a good time to buy property in the UK now. There can be some bargains around.

We are considering buying a new house now.


With prices predicted to drop by up to 30% more I would think it's the last thing anyone would think about doing.


I cant see a drop of 30% Feisty .

It would put too many people into a negative equity situation

The Government would not let that happen it would end up bankrupting the country .They would intervene long before it got to that stage


It's the Bank Of England who are predicting it Richard and many other economists including one on the BBC this morning who said 35% drop by the end of 2010. Capital Economic they were called.


Thats not good news at all , well at at least not for property owners,
has anyone given any indication of when this slump may end?
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Postby Z4 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:12 am

RichardB wrote:
Feisty wrote:
Z4 wrote:Well I think it is a good time to buy property in the UK now. There can be some bargains around.

We are considering buying a new house now.


With prices predicted to drop by up to 30% more I would think it's the last thing anyone would think about doing.


I cant see a drop of 30% Feisty .

It would put too many people into a negative equity situation

The Government would not let that happen it would end up bankrupting the country .They would intervene long before it got to that stage


I think she meant 3% Rich
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Postby Feisty » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:30 am

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Postby Feisty » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:31 am

The nation's newspapers, broadcasters and even, dare I say it, online news organisations, are in a frenzy about house prices.

Stories abound about falling prices, slumping sales, negative equity, and even repossessions.

According to two of the UK's biggest lenders, prices have fallen off a cliff in the past few months.

The Halifax says prices dropped by 6.6% between December and May, with 6.3% coming in just the last three months.

The Nationwide reckons they have fallen by less, down by 4.7% in the first five months of the year, and by 3.2% in the past three months.

So, how much further could they fall?

Big scary numbers

If we extrapolate from the Halifax's 6.8% drop so far this year, then 2008 will end with house prices down by 15.8%.

I think we are unlikely to see the fall continuing at that kind of pace

Martin Ellis, Halifax chief economist

If we think the rest of the year will be just like the past three months, then prices will be even lower - down by 21.3% by the end of December.
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Postby Feisty » Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:34 am

http://www.orange.co.uk/news/topstories/29875.htm

Some experts predict house prices could fall as much as 20 per cent by the end of next year. Most City economists had been predicting a fall of just 0.5 per cent over the month.

Capital Economics economist Seema Shah said: 'The plunge in house prices in May is a reminder of just how fast house prices can decline.'

She said: 'The sheer size of the drop in house prices, without the economy having yet slowed significantly, suggests that this housing market correction will be deep and prolonged.'

Howard Archer, chief UK and European economist with Global Insight added that double-digit falls this year and next were 'more likely than not'.

Would-be borrowers have been struggling to find cheap mortgage deals from cautious lenders, while gloomy data from the Bank of England and the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors had also hit market confidence, Nationwide said.
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Postby Z4 » Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:51 pm

It's all pie in the sky stuff Feisty. It says price COULD fall.

The more expensive your house is the bigger it can drop. I think the smaller houses the owners are ok as these keep the whole property world going
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Postby Feisty » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:01 pm

Yes but it doesn't say 3% does it. They fell last month by nearly 2% and by over 10% over the last twelve months.
There isn't one expert anywhere who doesn't say they are going to continue falling and to continue falling well into next year.
It's not me saying it it's them ------------------->
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