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[DT.]

You are indeed pathetic Oracle. Whenever you desire sympathy you pretend that you do not know. You pretend that you swim in an ocean of ignorance. In this case however it is not your fault really. DT should have known better. When I referred to Photini I did so as in her capacity of President of the Cyprus Red Cross. After all, even fools like you Oracle cannot hide behind ignorance knowing that UN aid money is never paid to individuals but to organisations. In fact I have referred to this money on a number of occasions, especially during the infamous time of Papadopoulos's ambient atmosphere.

Photini is a multi billionaire and on a personal level she has no need for a few thousand dollars. However, some people have a need it seems, to deviate from the topic of the thread. DT does this quite regularly and mostly he criticises people in a very unproductive manner, instead of criticising the ideas that come out of people. In this thread he only saw Bananiot trying to undermine Photini and of course the crazy woman seconded him, right away.

Repulsewarrior, Nikos Rolandis is one of the few persons we have in this banana plantation that talks sense and for this reason you can expect a barrage of abuse from the pavement patriots, any moment now.

Piratis, when you accuse people that you disagree with you that they are the bearers of Turkish propaganda that is fascism. You have had a good teacher on this. Papadopoulos, while President of all Cypriots, claimed that 100 000 people that voted for solution were traitors. He told us that that they were paid good dollars for their treachery and it is up to them to prove that they were not paid! He said that the yes platform says in Greek what the enemy says in Turkish. He also claimed that we spend our time at the court of Xerxes, if you can understand the insinuation. Of course, your clock has stopped at the pre February 17th 2008 period and you find it hard to understand that the "other" opinion is no longer vilified, but, this is not my problem. Papadopoulos was sent packing mostly for his arrogance and his dead end policy on the Cyprob. When you claim that he was "naturally" sent home because people did the usual and voted for their party, you display total ignorance of the statistics of the last election which showed that a sizeable number of DIKO and EDEK members did not vote for Papadopoulos.

P.S. Perhaps you can tell us why you think Denktash opened the gates in 2003, Repulsewarrior.

Bananiot, you are free to critisice anyone you want for anything you want. I will correct you time and time again however when you make such assumptions about what people know and don't know. 90% of the people on this forum do not live in Cyprus and would not have known that Photini is the President of the Cyprus Red Cross. Saying she pocketed foreign money and assuming that everyone knows it was on behalf of the Red Cross is trying to mislead people.

I'm sorry if thats a problem for you but you need to be honest with people.

[Paphitis]

You are indeed pathetic Oracle. Whenever you desire sympathy you pretend that you do not know. You pretend that you swim in an ocean of ignorance. In this case however it is not your fault really. DT should have known better. When I referred to Photini I did so as in her capacity of President of the Cyprus Red Cross. After all, even fools like you Oracle cannot hide behind ignorance knowing that UN aid money is never paid to individuals but to organisations. In fact I have referred to this money on a number of occasions, especially during the infamous time of Papadopoulos's ambient atmosphere.

Photini is a multi billionaire and on a personal level she has no need for a few thousand dollars. However, some people have a need it seems, to deviate from the topic of the thread. DT does this quite regularly and mostly he criticises people in a very unproductive manner, instead of criticising the ideas that come out of people. In this thread he only saw Bananiot trying to undermine Photini and of course the crazy woman seconded him, right away.

Repulsewarrior, Nikos Rolandis is one of the few persons we have in this banana plantation that talks sense and for this reason you can expect a barrage of abuse from the pavement patriots, any moment now.

Piratis, when you accuse people that you disagree with you that they are the bearers of Turkish propaganda that is fascism. You have had a good teacher on this. Papadopoulos, while President of all Cypriots, claimed that 100 000 people that voted for solution were traitors. He told us that that they were paid good dollars for their treachery and it is up to them to prove that they were not paid! He said that the yes platform says in Greek what the enemy says in Turkish. He also claimed that we spend our time at the court of Xerxes, if you can understand the insinuation. Of course, your clock has stopped at the pre February 17th 2008 period and you find it hard to understand that the "other" opinion is no longer vilified, but, this is not my problem. Papadopoulos was sent packing mostly for his arrogance and his dead end policy on the Cyprob. When you claim that he was "naturally" sent home because people did the usual and voted for their party, you display total ignorance of the statistics of the last election which showed that a sizeable number of DIKO and EDEK members did not vote for Papadopoulos.

P.S. Perhaps you can tell us why you think Denktash opened the gates in 2003, Repulsewarrior.

Bananiot, you are free to critisice anyone you want for anything you want. I will correct you time and time again however when you make such assumptions about what people know and don't know. 90% of the people on this forum do not live in Cyprus and would not have known that Photini is the President of the Cyprus Red Cross. Saying she pocketed foreign money and assuming that everyone knows it was on behalf of the Red Cross is trying to mislead people.

I'm sorry if thats a problem for you but you need to be honest with people.

I would like to point out that Bananiot did not mention that Photini is the President of the Cypriot Red Cross in his initial post. Also, I myself had no idea that Photini was the President of the Cyprus Red Cross. Cypriots in the Diaspora can not be expected to have an in depth knowledge of Cypriot politics. Local knowledge is indeed lacking for many of us.

Therefore, my initial understanding of Bananiot's first post was that he was insinuating that Photini was on the take with UN aid money to Cyprus. Bananiot's deceptive propaganda almost achieved it's desired objective, until DT clarified the matter.

[pantheman]

You are indeed pathetic Oracle. Whenever you desire sympathy you pretend that you do not know. You pretend that you swim in an ocean of ignorance. In this case however it is not your fault really. DT should have known better. When I referred to Photini I did so as in her capacity of President of the Cyprus Red Cross. After all, even fools like you Oracle cannot hide behind ignorance knowing that UN aid money is never paid to individuals but to organisations. In fact I have referred to this money on a number of occasions, especially during the infamous time of Papadopoulos's ambient atmosphere.

Photini is a multi billionaire and on a personal level she has no need for a few thousand dollars. However, some people have a need it seems, to deviate from the topic of the thread. DT does this quite regularly and mostly he criticises people in a very unproductive manner, instead of criticising the ideas that come out of people. In this thread he only saw Bananiot trying to undermine Photini and of course the crazy woman seconded him, right away.

Repulsewarrior, Nikos Rolandis is one of the few persons we have in this banana plantation that talks sense and for this reason you can expect a barrage of abuse from the pavement patriots, any moment now.

Piratis, when you accuse people that you disagree with you that they are the bearers of Turkish propaganda that is fascism. You have had a good teacher on this. Papadopoulos, while President of all Cypriots, claimed that 100 000 people that voted for solution were traitors. He told us that that they were paid good dollars for their treachery and it is up to them to prove that they were not paid! He said that the yes platform says in Greek what the enemy says in Turkish. He also claimed that we spend our time at the court of Xerxes, if you can understand the insinuation. Of course, your clock has stopped at the pre February 17th 2008 period and you find it hard to understand that the "other" opinion is no longer vilified, but, this is not my problem. Papadopoulos was sent packing mostly for his arrogance and his dead end policy on the Cyprob. When you claim that he was "naturally" sent home because people did the usual and voted for their party, you display total ignorance of the statistics of the last election which showed that a sizeable number of DIKO and EDEK members did not vote for Papadopoulos.

P.S. Perhaps you can tell us why you think Denktash opened the gates in 2003, Repulsewarrior.

Bananiot, you are free to critisice anyone you want for anything you want. I will correct you time and time again however when you make such assumptions about what people know and don't know. 90% of the people on this forum do not live in Cyprus and would not have known that Photini is the President of the Cyprus Red Cross. Saying she pocketed foreign money and assuming that everyone knows it was on behalf of the Red Cross is trying to mislead people.

I'm sorry if thats a problem for you but you need to be honest with people.

When I read his post about Photini and the money I took it to mean she was involved in some wrong doing. How wrong I was.

Bananiot that was deliberate attempt to demonise the woman who happened to be the then presidents (we all know your feelins for Tpap) wife. You are a pig and you should apologise here and now for making that slanderous statement immediate.

Arsehole.

[Oracle]

... When people who, in a one on one situation, make fun of you to your face because you are a Cypriot, who privately confess that they think Cypriots are born dumb, suddenly appear on TV and radio as the concerned champions of peace for Cyprus, then you know something is wrong.

Nikitas I am really surprised at this observation of yours about how Greek people treat Cypriots.

I have never felt anything but total acceptance as an equal in Greece even though I am only half-Greek. You too are half-Greek, so why would they pick on your half-Cypriot side to be uncharacteristically anti-Cypriot?

Do you perhaps play up the "Cypriotness", or blame them for the coup? (Subconsciously ) Or are you just resentful you are not "completely" Greek? Perhaps you would rather be living in Cyprus, but find it too parochial/provincial after the UK (and Greece)?

[Paphitis]

Bananiot said:

"Nikitas, are you seriously claiming that if you named Simitis in this forum as being at the receiving end of these moneys you would be prosecuted? "

I was referring to journalists who were paid to promote the Annan plan. Not politicians who openly supported it. These journalists are the one who now display wealth beyond their means. Some of them, although coming from the traditionally anti American left, had no problem accepting trips to the US and contracts to deliver seminars to other journalists to brief them on the Annan plan.

When people who, in a one on one situation, make fun of you to your face because you are a Cypriot, who privately confess that they think Cypriots are born dumb, suddenly appear on TV and radio as the concerned champions of peace for Cyprus, then you know something is wrong.

I find it hard to believe that Greeks would make fun of Cypriots unless they antagonised them for everything that has happened to Cyprus, or by ridiculing them and referring to them as Kallamarades. I always felt that Greeks in general love Cypriots and are fanatical supporters of Cyprus.

I have been to Greece a couple of times, the first time being in 1996 (on vacation) during the Imia crisis. I remember the feeling on the streets of Athens. Most Greeks, the younger generations in particular, were talking in a manner as if there is a score to settle with Turkey, not just over Imia, but mainly due to Cyprus. I do not think that anyone can question their loyalty.

[alexISS]

There are a few dumb Greeks who may make fun of Cypriots (or Cretans or anyone with a different accent), but some Cypriots do make it easy for others to not like them. Like those who come to Greece for a free university diploma and spend 4-5 years living in a mini-universe where no "kalamarades" are allowed. They only socialize with other Cypriot students and consider the Greeks as the "foreigners" who "destroyed" Cyprus, I've met quite a few of them and I sure did not like them. That does not mean I don't like Cypriots in general.

[repulsewarrior]

Mr.B. I have expressed my opinion that in the end, like Makarios, Denktash chose Cyprus over his ethnic root.

I cannot explain his act, opening the gates, any other way. Your opinion is welcome.

[Agios Ionas]

Many Greeks (especially those born in the 1950's or earlier) seem to consider Cyprus a Greek island. If you talk to them about the beauty of Cyprus they usually reply "yes, the Greek islands sure are wonderful".

Greeks in Cyprus usually say "well, it's not Greece" when asked if they like it in Cyprus. About a month ago I met a very sympathetic man from Thessaloniki. He's working in Cyprus, but since "it's not Greece" he is constantly missing his beloved 'Saloniki' back in Greece.

I've never ran across a Greek making fun of Cypriots or consider them to be stupid or worth less than Greeks. But I guess there are such people as well. There are arseholes from every country and of every nationality. There are 'kalamarades' in every country too. God knows Brussels is full of them.

[Paphitis]

There are a few dumb Greeks who may make fun of Cypriots (or Cretans or anyone with a different accent), but some Cypriots do make it easy for others to not like them. Like those who come to Greece for a free university diploma and spend 4-5 years living in a mini-universe where no "kalamarades" are allowed. They only socialize with other Cypriot students and consider the Greeks as the "foreigners" who "destroyed" Cyprus, I've met quite a few of them and I sure did not like them. That does not mean I don't like Cypriots in general.

Thanks for this explanation Alexis. On the whole, this is to be expected as we certainly have a few Cypriots that display some prejudice against our Greek brothers and sisters. Greece is a country that I love to visit, and am planning another trip there mid next year for 2 weeks, before going to Cyprus. I have always been made to feel very welcome in Greece and have many friends there. The Greeks are lovely people, and sometimes I feel that as a people, they are a bit more refined than Cypriots, as sometimes we display some pretty unfortunate character traits, such as the one where we actually think that we are better than Greeks and blame them for our own halia.

I have indeed promised myself, that if things turn for the worst in Cyprus, such as a disastrous Annan type plan being implemented, where Hellenism is compromised, then I will sell off all interests in Cyprus and move them to Greece. I will not bear to see the Turkification of the island and would prefer to wash my hands. Greece will then become my new adopted spiritual home. I am sure I am not the only one that thinks in this way.

[Oracle]

There are a few dumb Greeks who may make fun of Cypriots (or Cretans or anyone with a different accent), but some Cypriots do make it easy for others to not like them. Like those who come to Greece for a free university diploma and spend 4-5 years living in a mini-universe where no "kalamarades" are allowed. They only socialize with other Cypriot students and consider the Greeks as the "foreigners" who "destroyed" Cyprus, I've met quite a few of them and I sure did not like them. That does not mean I don't like Cypriots in general.

We had a Hellenic Society at University (UK) (no Cypriot Soc.) and because it showed Greek movies, organised Greek food tastings etc it had about equal numbers Greek and Cypriots. I was accepted more into the Greek camp than the Cypriot camp. The Cypriots would often refer to me as a Kalamarina but the Greeks never made an issue of my Cypriotness.

Nearly all of my Cypriot cousins that went to study in Greece married and stayed there, even though they were slightly anti-Greek before going.

Having said that there are many Greeks living around Polis now but none I have spoken to have problems not being accepted by the Cypriots ....

So I think the Greeks and Cypriots are beginning to feel comfortable with each other again.

(I wish I hadn't written this post now ... it doesn't add to anything but it passed the time whilst I drank my coffee and it's done now so I'll just add it to the other rubbish I've posted before .... )