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IS THERE A POLICE FORCE IN CYPRUS ?

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Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:17 pm

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Agios Ionas wrote:I find it very sad that so many Americans are unable to see the faults with their own country but so eager to point out the shortcomings of others. You'll remain the biggest, the best and the bravest until the bitter end won't you?

For the record, I'm not scared of a bunch of stats. But I'm smart enough to acknowledge that the stats actually reflect something... the reality. It's not like someone made a list with random numbers just because he/she had nothing better to do. You have more murders per capita than so many other countries, why not admit that there is something wrong?


why admit it? because this thread is about police force in CY, on a forum about CY. i haev no problem admitting that the USA has problems, and alot of them. we are, after all, a hell of alot larger than CY, with a hell of alot more people, from a hell of alot different countries (including a hell of alot of cypriots).


Imagine how much higher your figures would be for murders and violent attacks if you did not have the dilution factor from relatively sane Cypriots :lol:
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Postby GorillaGal » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:20 pm

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Agios Ionas wrote:I find it very sad that so many Americans are unable to see the faults with their own country but so eager to point out the shortcomings of others. You'll remain the biggest, the best and the bravest until the bitter end won't you?

For the record, I'm not scared of a bunch of stats. But I'm smart enough to acknowledge that the stats actually reflect something... the reality. It's not like someone made a list with random numbers just because he/she had nothing better to do. You have more murders per capita than so many other countries, why not admit that there is something wrong?


why admit it? because this thread is about police force in CY, on a forum about CY. i haev no problem admitting that the USA has problems, and alot of them. we are, after all, a hell of alot larger than CY, with a hell of alot more people, from a hell of alot different countries (including a hell of alot of cypriots).


Imagine how much higher your figures would be for murders and violent attacks if you did not have the dilution factor from relatively sane Cypriots :lol:


i think the stats would be greatly improved if the turks would just all go home. LOL
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Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:24 pm

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Agios Ionas wrote:I find it very sad that so many Americans are unable to see the faults with their own country but so eager to point out the shortcomings of others. You'll remain the biggest, the best and the bravest until the bitter end won't you?

For the record, I'm not scared of a bunch of stats. But I'm smart enough to acknowledge that the stats actually reflect something... the reality. It's not like someone made a list with random numbers just because he/she had nothing better to do. You have more murders per capita than so many other countries, why not admit that there is something wrong?


why admit it? because this thread is about police force in CY, on a forum about CY. i haev no problem admitting that the USA has problems, and alot of them. we are, after all, a hell of alot larger than CY, with a hell of alot more people, from a hell of alot different countries (including a hell of alot of cypriots).


Imagine how much higher your figures would be for murders and violent attacks if you did not have the dilution factor from relatively sane Cypriots :lol:


i think the stats would be greatly improved if the turks would just all go home. LOL
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Now you're talking :lol:
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Postby RichardB » Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:36 pm

Cyprus Police-

-No better or worse than most other EU countries

Some Good cops- some bad cops -some just plain indifferent same the world over

Never had any problems with them personally
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Postby Crivens » Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:56 am

Using the statistics for the USA there would be 42-43 murders/year in the USA if you only had a population of 1 million. I seriously doubt the numbers for Cyprus would even come close to that
I am well knackered this morning, so may be well off, but I think you missed a zero. I believe it should be 420-430 a year with the stats you posted (124126 per year). On the other hand I believe that figure is 10 times too much (12412), which would mean 42-43 would be about correct. Heh, think we would have noticed at least one murder a day :)

Now to take a tablet and lie down...

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Postby Agios Ionas » Tue Aug 05, 2008 9:12 am

Crivens wrote:Heh, think we would have noticed at least one murder a day :)


Philadelphia sees murder rate of 1 per day

In the US the sickness is guns and the remedy is guns as well. I mean, when all the criminals have guns... why shouldn't the law abiding citizens carry them too? It's still the wild wild west imho.

It's sort of a Catch-22 scenario. There are too many illegal guns around. You can't get rid of those. And even if you could there is always someone willing to supply more illegal guns as the money involved is very good. Law abiding citizens have no other choice but to arm themselves. I know I would want to... to even the odds so to speak. With no gun I'm dead meat if I run into an armed crackhead who kills for a dollar without batting an eyelid. With a gun I have at least improved my chances of surviving quite a bit providing I shoot first, or aim better. And for the record... I'd die more peacefully if I managed to shoot the bastard that shot me. ;)
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Postby Oracle » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:01 am

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Oracle wrote:So a gun allows you to go places you otherwise may not have ventured to? Gives you a survival advantage (whether you deserve the advantage or not). A gun makes you "equal" to a bear, so you can survive in his environment, but destroy him instead.

Goes against the Laws of Nature :?
Laws of nature? If you haven't noticed it is a bear-eat-man/man-eat-bear kind of world out there. Since mankind has existed we have hunted, killed and eaten animals.
A bear knows no boundaries. They will also enter human habitat and sometimes attack people, even in their own homes.
Since about 30 years ago the black bear population has probably dolubled and they are spreading their territories (same with coyotes). While one does not want to kill a bear out of hand, one also does not want to be eaten by a bear.
I am sorry, I love bears but if it comes down to me or the bear, the bear is gonna gonna get shot. If a bear comes after a family member, it is gonna get shot. If it comes after my picnic basket....meh, I'll just call Natrual Resources and let them take care of it.

What about rabid dogs or dogs raised to be violent? Do we as humans have a right to protect ourselves or out family and pets against them?
Would you rather see people mauled or dead by a pit bull than to see some people defend themselves with a firearm? I never understood that logic.


Novus ... I know this is a "Catch 22" situation.

Since one person has a gun, everybody else has to have one to protect themselves from this gun, and so on.

Too late.

There is no putting everything back in Pandora's Box. :roll:

It's just sad to look at the sickness in the States and know we are headed that way and there is no getting off.
The US does not have a "sickness", we have a lot of violent criminals is what we have. Fortunately the violent criminals only makes up maybe a thousandth of the population here and only maybe ten percent of them are constant offenders. About ten percent of the criminals commit 70% of the crime here. Once we remove them from society and fix the problems that would have helped let a new batch become criminals, we will not have these problems in nearly the same degree. However, there is no way to totally prevent some people from becomming criminals and therefore we will always have some in our society and we will still need a defense against them. Even mostly crime free Cyprus has murders.

We need a multilateral disarmament and America will not join us
This is not directed at you, multilateral disarmament is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. For people to think the gun cannot be uininvented is too amazing to even try to fathom. Guns are easy to make and ammunition, while a little harder, is not that hard. Even if we removed all guns from our societies, in a few years the criminals will have made and will use some of these: http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/introduction.shtml

All disarmament does is to disarm the law abiding. There is no benefit of a total firearm ban. Just look at Jamaica, they banned all firearms over 30 years ago and yet they have a higher gun murder rate than the United States does. They often make their own guns. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xL6rCTLC0Go

Now compare Jamaica to Cyprus, they are both island nations, but I read somewhere Cyprus 36 firearms per 100 people (mostly shotguns), yet very few murders in Cyprus occur....why? Because Cyprus has almost no violent criminals, or if they do they are not able to repeat their violent crimes over and over. It is not the presence of legally held guns, it is the number of criminals present that is the problem in any given society.

Instead of anti self defense rights organizations like IANSA calling for a ban on all firearms, they should be working on removing criminals in the societies. The call for banning firearms is a red herring.


This is why I described it as a sickness. You have compared like for like yet one society breeds criminals and the other does not (extrapolate comparison to US).

So what is it that gives rise to these criminals in the first place?

Genetics?

We know there is a gene which predisposes violent tendencies (has been used as a defence I believe in the US by someone on death-row).

Environment?

Poverty doesn't immediately yield crime. But capitalism mixed with deprivation probably does.
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Postby Novus » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:10 pm

Oracle wrote:
This is why I described it as a sickness. You have compared like for like yet one society breeds criminals and the other does not (extrapolate comparison to US).

So what is it that gives rise to these criminals in the first place?

Genetics?

We know there is a gene which predisposes violent tendencies (has been used as a defence I believe in the US by someone on death-row).

Environment?

Poverty doesn't immediately yield crime. But capitalism mixed with deprivation probably does.
It is not genetics. This "gene" sounds like incomplete or junk science. It is like the claim that most people with so called alcoholism were more likely to have a certain gene, but this did not mean it was a gene that cause so called alcoholism....and for that matter which definition of alcoholism was even used for the criteria.
There may be a connection between a certain gene and the risk may be higher because the gene makes them have a slightly greater predisposition to abuse alcohol if they drink, but for every person with that gene that abused alcohol, there are probably ten with that same gege that drink and don't abuse alcohol.

There is no known genetic cause violence that I have ever heard of. Now there may be one study that claims it, but once again, like with the so called alcoholism gene, it might just be an indication of risk and create a slightly higher predisposition towards resulting to violence.


Environment? Yes, environment is one of the biggest factors.
The violent crime seems to be the worst in inner city poor neighborhoods and in those same neighborhoods there is still a high lead exposure rate. A good portion of children exposed to high levels of lead when growing up have shown a higher propensity to have less impulse control. So therefore the number of youths that are violent is higher.
Poverty also has anotehr environmental effect in that it breeds desperation and this is an impetus to crime. And it also helps to foment a culture of crime which perpetuates with the next generation in that community or area.
Then there is the lack of education which is yet another environmental effect. It is also a result of the poverty as well as the cause of the poverty in many cases causing a vicious cycle. They have done studies where the number of people in jail that have limited education are the vast majority of inmates and the ones with a High School diploma or higher are in the minority. Among the inmates the ones with some college is small, and the ones with degrees is smaller and the ones with advanced degreees is minute.
Now one could argue that the people that are not capable or not intelligent enough are the ones committing the crime is all that means, but there are other studies of inmates that came back to prison after release (called recidivism) that did not get any education in prison while there and they compared this to the recidivism rate for those that recieved some vocational training, a high school diploma, or even a college degree.
The recidivism rate for most inmates released was over 60% within three years, but for the ones that worked on and recieved a college degree (even a two year degree) while in prison or while on parole was only 15%. :shock:

So even though you cannot educate everyone in prison because a good portion are not up to that level of intelligence, we can still save the majority by some form of rehabilitation be it job training or college education. With job skills they are more likely to work when released earning a living making them less poor or no longer living in poverty and therefore less likely to be desperate enough to return to a life of crime. They may live in the same neighborhoods setting an example of less crime and more work ethics to the next generation changing the culture of crime to something opposite for the next generation.
Also, if the majority of released inmates do not commit more crimes instead of the other way around, then that frees up more law enforcement to catch the worst of the worst and put them away for the rest of their life.

And we should legalize/decriminalize drugs here. One of the impetuses for violent crime culture is the lure of big profits in the drug trade. We remove the profit and it stops feeding the crime culture. We can worry about the addicts and deal with them seperately, but if we eliminate the lure of drug dealing we might have a chance to prevent the next generation from becoming violent crime rectruits.
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:21 pm

Novus wrote:
Oracle wrote:
This is why I described it as a sickness. You have compared like for like yet one society breeds criminals and the other does not (extrapolate comparison to US).

So what is it that gives rise to these criminals in the first place?

Genetics?

We know there is a gene which predisposes violent tendencies (has been used as a defence I believe in the US by someone on death-row).

Environment?

Poverty doesn't immediately yield crime. But capitalism mixed with deprivation probably does.
It is not genetics. This "gene" sounds like incomplete or junk science. It is like the claim that most people with so called alcoholism were more likely to have a certain gene, but this did not mean it was a gene that cause so called alcoholism....and for that matter which definition of alcoholism was even used for the criteria.
There may be a connection between a certain gene and the risk may be higher because the gene makes them have a slightly greater predisposition to abuse alcohol if they drink, but for every person with that gene that abused alcohol, there are probably ten with that same gege that drink and don't abuse alcohol.

There is no known genetic cause violence that I have ever heard of. Now there may be one study that claims it, but once again, like with the so called alcoholism gene, it might just be an indication of risk and create a slightly higher predisposition towards resulting to violence.


Environment? Yes, environment is one of the biggest factors.
The violent crime seems to be the worst in inner city poor neighborhoods and in those same neighborhoods there is still a high lead exposure rate. A good portion of children exposed to high levels of lead when growing up have shown a higher propensity to have less impulse control. So therefore the number of youths that are violent is higher.
Poverty also has anotehr environmental effect in that it breeds desperation and this is an impetus to crime. And it also helps to foment a culture of crime which perpetuates with the next generation in that community or area.
Then there is the lack of education which is yet another environmental effect. It is also a result of the poverty as well as the cause of the poverty in many cases causing a vicious cycle. They have done studies where the number of people in jail that have limited education are the vast majority of inmates and the ones with a High School diploma or higher are in the minority. Among the inmates the ones with some college is small, and the ones with degrees is smaller and the ones with advanced degreees is minute.
Now one could argue that the people that are not capable or not intelligent enough are the ones committing the crime is all that means, but there are other studies of inmates that came back to prison after release (called recidivism) that did not get any education in prison while there and they compared this to the recidivism rate for those that recieved some vocational training, a high school diploma, or even a college degree.
The recidivism rate for most inmates released was over 60% within three years, but for the ones that worked on and recieved a college degree (even a two year degree) while in prison or while on parole was only 15%. :shock:

So even though you cannot educate everyone in prison because a good portion are not up to that level of intelligence, we can still save the majority by some form of rehabilitation be it job training or college education. With job skills they are more likely to work when released earning a living making them less poor or no longer living in poverty and therefore less likely to be desperate enough to return to a life of crime. They may live in the same neighborhoods setting an example of less crime and more work ethics to the next generation changing the culture of crime to something opposite for the next generation.
Also, if the majority of released inmates do not commit more crimes instead of the other way around, then that frees up more law enforcement to catch the worst of the worst and put them away for the rest of their life.

And we should legalize/decriminalize drugs here. One of the impetuses for violent crime culture is the lure of big profits in the drug trade. We remove the profit and it stops feeding the crime culture. We can worry about the addicts and deal with them seperately, but if we eliminate the lure of drug dealing we might have a chance to prevent the next generation from becoming violent crime rectruits.



I see trouble ahead........................ :lol: :lol:
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Postby roseandchan » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:40 pm

crime goes hand in hand with drugs guns and prostitution. where you find one you find the other. if the goverments gave drug addicts drugs for free they would cut the crime rates.
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