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[Kikapu]

It's all very well arguing against Halil, but what he says holds a lot of truth regarding the refugee problem from 63 onwards. Why did the vast majority of GC's remain silent whilst Enosis was rife ? Between 63 & 74 the TC 'refugee problem' was conveniently left aside whilst other plans were afoot.

We all need to realise that events from 63 onwards led to 74. You can argue all you want about 'Turkeys real intentions', 'Makarios's real intentions', the 'role of Greece & the UK' etc, but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

And please save me the lecture on 1571, TMT & taksim, barbarians. Mongols etc. I've seen it and read it all.

Let us concentrate on getting behind the two sets of leaders and communities/groups to come up with a plan that is acceptable to both sides. So we can finally put all this behind us and our children and grandchildren are not subjected to continuing this tit-for-tat for the next 100 years

but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

It's very simple 74LB.

It was the 1960 Constitution and the way it was written, which was completely unworkable, and sooner or later,
the shit was going to hit the fan, and it did. Pure and simple and the same would have happened again, had the 2004 Annan Plan passed, because the same "enemies of Cyprus" wrote the AP as they did the 1960 Constitution.

They were both Undemocratic, Racist, and violated all Cypriots Human Rights.

[denizaksulu]

It's all very well arguing against Halil, but what he says holds a lot of truth regarding the refugee problem from 63 onwards. Why did the vast majority of GC's remain silent whilst Enosis was rife ? Between 63 & 74 the TC 'refugee problem' was conveniently left aside whilst other plans were afoot.

We all need to realise that events from 63 onwards led to 74. You can argue all you want about 'Turkeys real intentions', 'Makarios's real intentions', the 'role of Greece & the UK' etc, but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

And please save me the lecture on 1571, TMT & taksim, barbarians. Mongols etc. I've seen it and read it all.

Let us concentrate on getting behind the two sets of leaders and communities/groups to come up with a plan that is acceptable to both sides. So we can finally put all this behind us and our children and grandchildren are not subjected to continuing this tit-for-tat for the next 100 years

but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

It's very simple 74LB.

It was the 1960 Constitution and the way it was written, which was completely unworkable, and sooner or later,
the shit was going to hit the fan, and it did. Pure and simple and the same would have happened again, had the 2004 Annan Plan passed, because the same "enemies of Cyprus" wrote the AP as they did the 1960 Constitution.

They were both Undemocratic, Racist, and violated all Cypriots Human Rights.

Kiks, the 1960 Constitution might have been 'undemocratic' etc, but in the end 'kabak niye bizim basimizda patladi'. (why did we have to suffer?)

[miltiades]

Maybe we had to suffer so that the future generations of Cypriots will not !!
Have a great time my dear friend and see you when you come back.

[humanist]

That is a wise statement Miltiades, Have a nice day

[Kikapu]

It's all very well arguing against Halil, but what he says holds a lot of truth regarding the refugee problem from 63 onwards. Why did the vast majority of GC's remain silent whilst Enosis was rife ? Between 63 & 74 the TC 'refugee problem' was conveniently left aside whilst other plans were afoot.

We all need to realise that events from 63 onwards led to 74. You can argue all you want about 'Turkeys real intentions', 'Makarios's real intentions', the 'role of Greece & the UK' etc, but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

And please save me the lecture on 1571, TMT & taksim, barbarians. Mongols etc. I've seen it and read it all.

Let us concentrate on getting behind the two sets of leaders and communities/groups to come up with a plan that is acceptable to both sides. So we can finally put all this behind us and our children and grandchildren are not subjected to continuing this tit-for-tat for the next 100 years

but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

It's very simple 74LB.

It was the 1960 Constitution and the way it was written, which was completely unworkable, and sooner or later,
the shit was going to hit the fan, and it did. Pure and simple and the same would have happened again, had the 2004 Annan Plan passed, because the same "enemies of Cyprus" wrote the AP as they did the 1960 Constitution.

They were both Undemocratic, Racist, and violated all Cypriots Human Rights.

Kiks, the 1960 Constitution might have been 'undemocratic' etc, but in the end 'kabak niye bizim basimizda patladi'. (why did we have to suffer?)

That's the 64,000 Dollar question Deniz.!

Unfortunately, when ever something unstable "explodes", many people gets killed or displaced, such as Earthquakes, Volcano Eruptions and Political differences in a totally unfairly written Constitutions, which was basically a time bomb waiting to go off, just because those who put the 1960 constitution together, knew very well as to what will happen sooner or later. Therefore, the seeds of hate and death were sown into the 1960 Constitution for the outcome on what we have today.!

This is something worth remembering when people are asked to live together in a Racist and Undemocratic political environment, and that is, "BE KIND TO YOUR NEIGHBOUR, BECAUSE HE KNOWS WHERE YOU LIVE".!!

[Oracle]

It's all very well arguing against Halil, but what he says holds a lot of truth regarding the refugee problem from 63 onwards. Why did the vast majority of GC's remain silent whilst Enosis was rife ? Between 63 & 74 the TC 'refugee problem' was conveniently left aside whilst other plans were afoot.

We all need to realise that events from 63 onwards led to 74. You can argue all you want about 'Turkeys real intentions', 'Makarios's real intentions', the 'role of Greece & the UK' etc, but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

And please save me the lecture on 1571, TMT & taksim, barbarians. Mongols etc. I've seen it and read it all.

Let us concentrate on getting behind the two sets of leaders and communities/groups to come up with a plan that is acceptable to both sides. So we can finally put all this behind us and our children and grandchildren are not subjected to continuing this tit-for-tat for the next 100 years

but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

It's very simple 74LB.

It was the 1960 Constitution and the way it was written, which was completely unworkable, and sooner or later,
the shit was going to hit the fan, and it did. Pure and simple and the same would have happened again, had the 2004 Annan Plan passed, because the same "enemies of Cyprus" wrote the AP as they did the 1960 Constitution.

They were both Undemocratic, Racist, and violated all Cypriots Human Rights.

Kiks, the 1960 Constitution might have been 'undemocratic' etc, but in the end 'kabak niye bizim basimizda patladi'. (why did we have to suffer?)

Eventually toddlers grow up and learn to live like adults without pacifiers