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[Nikitas]

Boomerang,

Land in the south does not change ownenrship no matter how long the owner is away from Cyprus.

Regaining possession is governed by residence. Those that left CYprus before 1974, or who remained in the south, or have returned and reside in the RoC for six continuous months regains possession of their property. There were two cases in which GC refugees from the north were eviced from property when the original TC owner returned and fulfilled the residence requirements.

In the north ownership and possession of land by GCs were abolished initially by an article in the "constitution". WHen Europe told them that this would not fly they set up the properties commission which manages to hear five times as many cases on compensation compared to cases for repossession of land.

[Nikitas]

Lates figures published by Politis- 1.3 MILLION square meters of land were settled via compensation, and only 6500 square meters were actually returned to the owners. The scale of compensation is a JOKE!!!! For 500 square meters in Vasilia of Kyrenia the owner got 5000 Cyprus pounds. I would have paid him more to buy it even if it is in the occupied north. This is a Mickey Mouse set up.

[boomerang]

soon Deniz will be in Cyprus , we will see how true is your sayings .
i hope i am wrong .
Because i know too many londoner (TC'S) are waiting .
GC's can claim there ones at north as well by applying to property board .
try and see it .Like Deniz did .
so far quite of the GC's got compensation from the property board from the North .

here it is again straight from the horses mouth Mr Bayarak

Milkey,

I think it is useful to talk about the property issue because i believe it will play a crucial role in ANY future settlement or no settlement.I cannot talk about the experiences of other people but i can talk about my own.The land in Baf was owned separately by my father and mother.They both emigrated to the UK before 1974. Following the opening of the borders we visited their village which i had not seen before.My father remembered each step if the land so we were happy to find out that nothing was erected on it.Infact most of it was abandoned except one large piece which was caltivated with tobacco. So we sought the help of a greek villager who was a friend of my father and went to Baf to the Department of Lands.Upon production of the relevant documents the land was transfered in my name on the same day and i now have the titles.I assume that interested buyers do research at the Baf authorities seeking out Turkish Cypriots who might want to sell their property because less than 6 months after the transfer i was contacted by an interested buyer.At that time i did not think seriously about the whole issue because i was of the same opinion as you, ie that it would be impossible to sell etc.So i did not contact back until i started hearing about other cases that people sold at good prices.So on my next visit to the south i asked for valuations of the land and when i received them i nearly fell off the chair! The land is worth money i never even dreamed of, but i am in no desperate need so i let things be. Meantime several more interested parties enquired if i want to sell.On one hand i am tempted but on the other i felt a kind of attachement for the place so i am not sure.Also, i believe that if we sell our land in the South, we lose an important bargaining card in our hands.Sooner or later, there will be a need for exchange of property under any settlement.

This from aziz at ATCA...

http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... tartpage=6

Don't play the dummy Mr. Bayarak, move you fat ass over to ATCA and ask Aziz...but then again a 2 button mouse might be a little bit over your head

Unless ofcourse this gavur, me, made the whole thing up...

[boomerang]

Boomerang,

Land in the south does not change ownenrship no matter how long the owner is away from Cyprus.

Regaining possession is governed by residence. Those that left CYprus before 1974, or who remained in the south, or have returned and reside in the RoC for six continuous months regains possession of their property. There were two cases in which GC refugees from the north were eviced from property when the original TC owner returned and fulfilled the residence requirements.

In the north ownership and possession of land by GCs were abolished initially by an article in the "constitution". WHen Europe told them that this would not fly they set up the properties commission which manages to hear five times as many cases on compensation compared to cases for repossession of land.

I know Nikitas, Mr Bayarak caught me by surprise...here I am miles and miles away and I am more in touch with the lions den than Mr Bayarak from north...odd you say?......but then again it might not have crossed his desk, not that if it did he would have understood it...

[DT.]

DT are you suggesting that the Turkish Cypriots of the north should be dwelling only in Turkish Cypriot houses built on Turkish Cypriot land? May be you can also suggest that the Turkish army moves out of barracks that have been built on Greek Cypriot land.

Define dwelling. Does dweling mean taking a piece of GC land, selling it to a Turkish developer who in turn sells it to a Turkish hotel chain, who in turn mortgage it to a turkish bank to build a hotel, leading up to Anastasiades and Co drinking and dancing in it? If thats dwelling then yes I suggest they stop.

And you are also right about the barracks. Or do you consider the Turkish troops on GC land as their divine right? Am I not even allowed to proest their presence anymore?

Perhaps, if they do not comply we should cease all contacts and negotiations with them, at least temporaly until 2010, when Ertogruroglu comes to power when there would be no hope for solution.

P.S. Pity Erdogan survived, have you seen the tears of the rejectionists (on both sides of the divide)?

And no I do not ask that we cease contacts, just singing and dancing on STOLEN PROPERTY.

BTW were you also cheering your mate erdogan the other day when he was spitting out his venom during the turkish parade on our island?

Oh and Halil I remind you that your bosses from Ankara separated and split this island. Any property loss you feel you must protest because of the Turkish troops I suggest you join the rest of us and protest against the turkish invasion and ocupation of our island.

[halil]

DT are you suggesting that the Turkish Cypriots of the north should be dwelling only in Turkish Cypriot houses built on Turkish Cypriot land? May be you can also suggest that the Turkish army moves out of barracks that have been built on Greek Cypriot land.

Define dwelling. Does dweling mean taking a piece of GC land, selling it to a Turkish developer who in turn sells it to a Turkish hotel chain, who in turn mortgage it to a turkish bank to build a hotel, leading up to Anastasiades and Co drinking and dancing in it? If thats dwelling then yes I suggest they stop.

And you are also right about the barracks. Or do you consider the Turkish troops on GC land as their divine right? Am I not even allowed to proest their presence anymore?

Perhaps, if they do not comply we should cease all contacts and negotiations with them, at least temporaly until 2010, when Ertogruroglu comes to power when there would be no hope for solution.

P.S. Pity Erdogan survived, have you seen the tears of the rejectionists (on both sides of the divide)?

And no I do not ask that we cease contacts, just singing and dancing on STOLEN PROPERTY.

BTW were you also cheering your mate erdogan the other day when he was spitting out his venom during the turkish parade on our island?

Oh and Halil I remind you that your bosses from Ankara separated and split this island. Any property loss you feel you must protest because of the Turkish troops I suggest you join the rest of us and protest against the turkish invasion and ocupation of our island.

DT,
where were you before 74 .when TC's left they are homes and became refugees ....where were you when the people were kicked out from their houses in Kaymakli and from other places at 63 .
why you didn't join us to kicked out those EOKA men .we have lost our properties before 74 as well DT . Things are not one sided my dear friend .
we were seperated before 74 DT . shall i put again the enclave map for you .

İf the coupiest didn't get support from your people before 74 ,we will not have 74 DT. Don't tell me they all came from Greece .

[Kikapu]

DT are you suggesting that the Turkish Cypriots of the north should be dwelling only in Turkish Cypriot houses built on Turkish Cypriot land? May be you can also suggest that the Turkish army moves out of barracks that have been built on Greek Cypriot land.

Define dwelling. Does dweling mean taking a piece of GC land, selling it to a Turkish developer who in turn sells it to a Turkish hotel chain, who in turn mortgage it to a turkish bank to build a hotel, leading up to Anastasiades and Co drinking and dancing in it? If thats dwelling then yes I suggest they stop.

And you are also right about the barracks. Or do you consider the Turkish troops on GC land as their divine right? Am I not even allowed to proest their presence anymore?

Perhaps, if they do not comply we should cease all contacts and negotiations with them, at least temporaly until 2010, when Ertogruroglu comes to power when there would be no hope for solution.

P.S. Pity Erdogan survived, have you seen the tears of the rejectionists (on both sides of the divide)?

And no I do not ask that we cease contacts, just singing and dancing on STOLEN PROPERTY.

BTW were you also cheering your mate erdogan the other day when he was spitting out his venom during the turkish parade on our island?

Oh and Halil I remind you that your bosses from Ankara separated and split this island. Any property loss you feel you must protest because of the Turkish troops I suggest you join the rest of us and protest against the turkish invasion and ocupation of our island.

DT,
where were you before 74 .when TC's left they are homes and became refugees ....where were you when the people were kicked out from their houses in Kaymakli and from other places at 63 .
why you didn't join us to kicked out those EOKA men .we have lost our properties before 74 as well DT . Things are not one sided my dear friend .
we were seperated before 74 DT . shall i put again the enclave map for you .

İf the coupiest didn't get support from your people before 74 ,we will not have 74 DT. Don't tell me they all came from Greece .

The only problem Halil that you very conveniently not mentioning is, that the Turkish properties by and large remained as is, still owned by the original TC owners and have not been sold off, or given to foreigners for free with fake deeds, unlike that's what had happened with the GC's properties in the north, by your leadership's approval and assistance. This is no different than aiding and abetting any other theft, which is a crime in any country, and here you have the "trnc" leaders headed by Talat and the gang, and you very proudly call Talat a "President". If Bush did this, I would be calling him "Commander in Thief" and not Chief, but I don't see you as a "newsman" having the balls to do the same with Talat, because you don't have any problems in seeing GC properties being bought and sold off. Where the hell are your moral values for God sake before you start pointing fingers to others what they did not do back in 1963 when they were kids or not even born yet (DT), and here you are as an adult, and you do not speak out at all.!!

[humanist]

am still reckoning that partition based on 18%-82% is the fairest option at this time. I cannot possibly bring myself to live in the same community of people who support that a refugee from Kyrenia for a sizeable land gets 5000 pounds for it, whilst an Irish wanker and their cats pays 4 times that.

[DT.]

DT are you suggesting that the Turkish Cypriots of the north should be dwelling only in Turkish Cypriot houses built on Turkish Cypriot land? May be you can also suggest that the Turkish army moves out of barracks that have been built on Greek Cypriot land.

Define dwelling. Does dweling mean taking a piece of GC land, selling it to a Turkish developer who in turn sells it to a Turkish hotel chain, who in turn mortgage it to a turkish bank to build a hotel, leading up to Anastasiades and Co drinking and dancing in it? If thats dwelling then yes I suggest they stop.

And you are also right about the barracks. Or do you consider the Turkish troops on GC land as their divine right? Am I not even allowed to proest their presence anymore?

Perhaps, if they do not comply we should cease all contacts and negotiations with them, at least temporaly until 2010, when Ertogruroglu comes to power when there would be no hope for solution.

P.S. Pity Erdogan survived, have you seen the tears of the rejectionists (on both sides of the divide)?

And no I do not ask that we cease contacts, just singing and dancing on STOLEN PROPERTY.

BTW were you also cheering your mate erdogan the other day when he was spitting out his venom during the turkish parade on our island?

Oh and Halil I remind you that your bosses from Ankara separated and split this island. Any property loss you feel you must protest because of the Turkish troops I suggest you join the rest of us and protest against the turkish invasion and ocupation of our island.

DT,
where were you before 74 .when TC's left they are homes and became refugees ....where were you when the people were kicked out from their houses in Kaymakli and from other places at 63 .
why you didn't join us to kicked out those EOKA men .we have lost our properties before 74 as well DT . Things are not one sided my dear friend .
we were seperated before 74 DT . shall i put again the enclave map for you .

İf the coupiest didn't get support from your people before 74 ,we will not have 74 DT. Don't tell me they all came from Greece .

Please do Halil, re-post that enclave map. I already have Zan's admissions about it, it looks like you need some help with it too.

I've never held back on condemnation on the land the tc's left behind in 63 whether it was with tmt encouragement or not. HOWEVER as Kik's put it, your land was not sold off to Israeli's, English, Turks or Vikings. It is still there under the protection of the govt. What the hell have you been doing with our land Halil??? What the hell have you done right with it that gives you such arrogance to argue with me about the unfairness of your position?

While this side behaved like a government, your side behaved like a kiosk...selling to the highest bidder.

[74LB]

It's all very well arguing against Halil, but what he says holds a lot of truth regarding the refugee problem from 63 onwards. Why did the vast majority of GC's remain silent whilst Enosis was rife ? Between 63 & 74 the TC 'refugee problem' was conveniently left aside whilst other plans were afoot.

We all need to realise that events from 63 onwards led to 74. You can argue all you want about 'Turkeys real intentions', 'Makarios's real intentions', the 'role of Greece & the UK' etc, but don't lose sight of why the Republic crumbled so soon after independence.

And please save me the lecture on 1571, TMT & taksim, barbarians. Mongols etc. I've seen it and read it all.

Let us concentrate on getting behind the two sets of leaders and communities/groups to come up with a plan that is acceptable to both sides. So we can finally put all this behind us and our children and grandchildren are not subjected to continuing this tit-for-tat for the next 100 years