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[pantheman]

Deniz, at least you have the chance to re-claim your property and that there is a mechanism in place.

Go ask your mate halil if the same applies to me.

BTW, i am not talking property commission that is illegal and does nothing.

Its all one way traffic, in the TC direction and you guys always claim the victims.

[halil]

No Deniz ,
you have no rights to claim yours because you are not Greek Cypriot . Only they have .............

Bullshit Halil. You know very well that in the event of a fair solution everyone who lost property/land must be compensated in case they cannot reclaim what's theirs. If not it's not a fair solution. A TC is entitled to their property/land in the south already. And a GC should be able to reclaim what's theirs too. If the property/land for some reason cannot be reclaimed (as with Larnaca Airport) compensation gets paid once the red tape is sorted out.

In the event of a solution I'm 100% positive the TC farmer will get fair compensation for his lost land. Monetary or otherwise (new farming land).

do you mean that Deniz can claim compensation for his land which he is not using since 1963 .

Halil, I have paid the RoC £37,000 of taxes to claim my land which I have not used since 1963. That was two years ago. Now I am entitled to claim. I still have no deeds. I suppose I am lucky I had the funds to pay these past taxes.

Good luck Deniz ,
I hope more TC's will do like you and these claims might force to ROC leaders to think twice again and try to find solution as soon as possible .We , the TC's must apply everyday for our properties losses that we have lost since 1963 .... these claims might change direction of the Cyprus problem .

Thanks for the wishes. I cant imagine it will alter the current negotiations though. Whereever on the island you have property, it will never get lost as long as you have the original deeds. (save a few instances where property has been 'misappropriated' by the 'legal authorities').

Things are so confusing Deniz ,
in one way they says you have rights to get back your land also they collected taxes from you and still you did not get it . properly they will say you , you have to wait upto solution time .These are all political games Deniz .
Ok .Turkey or Turkish Cypriots are occuping GC's properties they keep saying ,
looks like Deniz everything is connected to eachother .
only way is to get first solution .....the road is very difficult.
everybodies are rights on their claims .we will see what will come out in few months time .

[denizaksulu]

Deniz, at least you have the chance to re-claim your property and that there is a mechanism in place.

Go ask your mate halil if the same applies to me.

BTW, i am not talking property commission that is illegal and does nothing.

Its all one way traffic, in the TC direction and you guys always claim the victims.

I am very well aware of that. It is unjust that GCs do not have the same right. Without making excuses for the leaders in the North, one of the problems is the non-recognition of the Northern Administration. Those few who have applied to the Property Commision are censured in the RoC. What is one to do. I can not suggest anything, its up to the politicians to slag it out. Where the GCs are stuck is the non-recognition. I do not like it a bit. You are damned if you do and damned if you dont. Is that a
Catch-22 situation?

[denizaksulu]

No Deniz ,
you have no rights to claim yours because you are not Greek Cypriot . Only they have .............

Bullshit Halil. You know very well that in the event of a fair solution everyone who lost property/land must be compensated in case they cannot reclaim what's theirs. If not it's not a fair solution. A TC is entitled to their property/land in the south already. And a GC should be able to reclaim what's theirs too. If the property/land for some reason cannot be reclaimed (as with Larnaca Airport) compensation gets paid once the red tape is sorted out.

In the event of a solution I'm 100% positive the TC farmer will get fair compensation for his lost land. Monetary or otherwise (new farming land).

do you mean that Deniz can claim compensation for his land which he is not using since 1963 .

Halil, I have paid the RoC £37,000 of taxes to claim my land which I have not used since 1963. That was two years ago. Now I am entitled to claim. I still have no deeds. I suppose I am lucky I had the funds to pay these past taxes.

Good luck Deniz ,
I hope more TC's will do like you and these claims might force to ROC leaders to think twice again and try to find solution as soon as possible .We , the TC's must apply everyday for our properties losses that we have lost since 1963 .... these claims might change direction of the Cyprus problem .

Thanks for the wishes. I cant imagine it will alter the current negotiations though. Whereever on the island you have property, it will never get lost as long as you have the original deeds. (save a few instances where property has been 'misappropriated' by the 'legal authorities').

Things are so confusing Deniz ,
in one way they says you have rights to get back your land also they collected taxes from you and still you did not get it . properly they will say you , you have to wait upto solution time .These are all political games Deniz .
Ok .Turkey or Turkish Cypriots are occuping GC's properties they keep saying ,
looks like Deniz everything is connected to eachother .
only way is to get first solution .....the road is very difficult.
everybodies are rights on their claims .we will see what will come out in few months time .

Inshallah Halil, Inshallah. Read my above post. Its all damn politics. I hate politics and politicians.

[boomerang]

Halil from bayarak, you are a total moron with the IQ of a peanut...here get educated ffs

Milkey,

I think it is useful to talk about the property issue because i believe it will play a crucial role in ANY future settlement or no settlement.I cannot talk about the experiences of other people but i can talk about my own.The land in Baf was owned separately by my father and mother.They both emigrated to the UK before 1974. Following the opening of the borders we visited their village which i had not seen before.My father remembered each step if the land so we were happy to find out that nothing was erected on it.Infact most of it was abandoned except one large piece which was caltivated with tobacco. So we sought the help of a greek villager who was a friend of my father and went to Baf to the Department of Lands.Upon production of the relevant documents the land was transfered in my name on the same day and i now have the titles.I assume that interested buyers do research at the Baf authorities seeking out Turkish Cypriots who might want to sell their property because less than 6 months after the transfer i was contacted by an interested buyer.At that time i did not think seriously about the whole issue because i was of the same opinion as you, ie that it would be impossible to sell etc.So i did not contact back until i started hearing about other cases that people sold at good prices.So on my next visit to the south i asked for valuations of the land and when i received them i nearly fell off the chair! The land is worth money i never even dreamed of, but i am in no desperate need so i let things be. Meantime several more interested parties enquired if i want to sell.On one hand i am tempted but on the other i felt a kind of attachement for the place so i am not sure.Also, i believe that if we sell our land in the South, we lose an important bargaining card in our hands.Sooner or later, there will be a need for exchange of property under any settlement.

This from aziz at ATCA...

http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... tartpage=6

1...Deniz left Cyprus prior to 74 so he is entiltled to his land at any given time.

2...Deniz would have been a fool if he forked out 37000 pounds in back taxes if he couldn'r have access to his land...

It's either your english letting down, but I highly doubt it...or...the low grade hay they feed you at bayarak...Thank god they are now charging for a donation at the monastery so they can atleast feed you a higher grade, in hope, and one can only hope, somehow enriching your IQ...But personally I have my doubts as higher quality hay improves anything...

[pantheman]

Halil from bayarak, you are a total moron with the IQ of a peanut...here get educated ffs

Milkey,

I think it is useful to talk about the property issue because i believe it will play a crucial role in ANY future settlement or no settlement.I cannot talk about the experiences of other people but i can talk about my own.The land in Baf was owned separately by my father and mother.They both emigrated to the UK before 1974. Following the opening of the borders we visited their village which i had not seen before.My father remembered each step if the land so we were happy to find out that nothing was erected on it.Infact most of it was abandoned except one large piece which was caltivated with tobacco. So we sought the help of a greek villager who was a friend of my father and went to Baf to the Department of Lands.Upon production of the relevant documents the land was transfered in my name on the same day and i now have the titles.I assume that interested buyers do research at the Baf authorities seeking out Turkish Cypriots who might want to sell their property because less than 6 months after the transfer i was contacted by an interested buyer.At that time i did not think seriously about the whole issue because i was of the same opinion as you, ie that it would be impossible to sell etc.So i did not contact back until i started hearing about other cases that people sold at good prices.So on my next visit to the south i asked for valuations of the land and when i received them i nearly fell off the chair! The land is worth money i never even dreamed of, but i am in no desperate need so i let things be. Meantime several more interested parties enquired if i want to sell.On one hand i am tempted but on the other i felt a kind of attachement for the place so i am not sure.Also, i believe that if we sell our land in the South, we lose an important bargaining card in our hands.Sooner or later, there will be a need for exchange of property under any settlement.

This from aziz at ATCA...

http://www.atcanews.org/index.php?optio ... tartpage=6

1...Deniz left Cyprus prior to 74 so he is entiltled to his land at any given time.

2...Deniz would have been a fool if he forked out 37000 pounds in back taxes if he couldn'r have access to his land...

It's either your english letting down, but I highly doubt it...or...the low grade hay they feed you at bayarak...Thank god they are now charging for a donation at the monastery so they can atleast feed you a higher grade, in hope, and one can only hope, somehow enriching your IQ...But personally I have my doubts as higher quality hay improves anything...

Boomers you are wrong on item 2. Taxes are always paid before any transfer of land. people think they get away with non payment of taxes, but when you come to sell you have to settle up.

Here's a current situation. I have a piece of prime land in protara, on the main road bought in 1980 for quite a bit of dosh. In their wisdom, they government has decided to rezone the area and wheres as my land was originally in tourist land it has now become forestry (meaning I can do jack with it now). of course I have objected and waiting the decision of the government. On this land that I am unable to develop I am being asked to pay a sewage charge, well F me if I do. not only have they prevented me using it, they have the cheek to ask for charges. Where land is concerned charges incurred to the land are always payable. What I would like to know is what taxes Deniz had to pay. What name did they give the tax that they requested.

As the only form of tax on land is the IPT (immovable property tax) and the land would have had to have a value of Cyp£100,000 at 1.1.1980 to be liable to pay this tax.

[boomerang]

I am just quoting Deniz forking out money for taxes...The point I was making to bayarakhead is that land can be claimed if the owner migrated prior to '74...and he can do as he pleases...something that a gc is unable to do...

YOur situation sucks big time and hopefully you can turn it around

[pantheman]

I am just quoting Deniz forking out money for taxes...The point I was making to bayarakhead is that land can be claimed if the owner migrated prior to '74...and he can do as he pleases...something that a gc is unable to do...

YOur situation sucks big time and hopefully you can turn it around

OK Boomers understood and thanks.

[halil]

soon Deniz will be in Cyprus , we will see how true is your sayings .
i hope i am wrong .
Because i know too many londoner (TC'S) are waiting .
GC's can claim there ones at north as well by applying to property board .
try and see it .Like Deniz did .
so far quite of the GC's got compensation from the property board from the North .

[Nikitas]

Compensation is not the same are return of the property. The people who request return of their property are put last on the list of cases, priority is given to those willing to take compensation. An analysis was published last week in Politis showing how the proportions of compensation to return are totally ubalanced.