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The Republic's Presidential Visit to Occupied Kyrenia

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Postby humanist » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:22 pm

her bark is biga than her bite Richard ;):):):) I love Oracles ;) she says it as it is
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Postby pantheman » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:28 pm

Oracle wrote:Our President has every right to visit any and all parts of his country.



He may have every right, but I think he is/was wrong to go.

He should have not gone in protest at the occupation forces presence and make a political and international point. This would have been reported worldwide and people would get to hear that we are under attack from invading forces in the 21st centuary.

Shame on the EU and UN for allowing this situation to continue, they themselves are a disgrace and a farce.

I have no faith in Christofias, I think he is going to sell us out. Bring back TPap, that way we can be sure.
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Postby humanist » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:41 pm

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Shame on the EU and UN for allowing this situation to continue, they themselves are a disgrace and a farce.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

As far as Christofias going to the wedding I congratulate him. He is being real and genuine. He is genuine about wanting unification and is acting in good will and faith. Unlike Mr Talat who on one hand is talking unification and on the other he is pushing for recognistion of the occupied areas and continues to alllow sale and exploitation of Greek speaking Cypriot property.
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Postby Oracle » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:50 pm

humanist wrote:pantheman
Shame on the EU and UN for allowing this situation to continue, they themselves are a disgrace and a farce.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

As far as Christofias going to the wedding I congratulate him. He is being real and genuine. He is genuine about wanting unification and is acting in good will and faith. Unlike Mr Talat who on one hand is talking unification and on the other he is pushing for recognistion of the occupied areas and continues to alllow sale and exploitation of Greek speaking Cypriot property.


Agree with you both ... I will personally scold him if he goes too far with his "turkophile" PR ...

There are limits :roll:

Re-iterate with the tardiness of the EU and UN in fulfilling their obligations ... if they were not institutions, they would be sacked for poor performance ...

Buck up EU and UN :roll: ... we pay for your survival ... do something about ours!
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:53 pm

humanist wrote:pantheman
Shame on the EU and UN for allowing this situation to continue, they themselves are a disgrace and a farce.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

As far as Christofias going to the wedding I congratulate him. He is being real and genuine. He is genuine about wanting unification and is acting in good will and faith. Unlike Mr Talat who on one hand is talking unification and on the other he is pushing for recognistion of the occupied areas and continues to alllow sale and exploitation of Greek speaking Cypriot property.


I join in your sentiments Humanist. It seems to me that T---- speaks with forked tongue.
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Postby RichardB » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:54 pm

I think that this is a very brave move by President Christofias and would disagree with pantherman when he says he should have refused.
If he had refused, yes the spotlight would have been on him worldwide but I feel for the wrong reasons in that the turks could claim he was the stumbling block. By going he is saying 'here I am , I want to talk so lets talk'
No one will be able to say the Cypriots are the reason for non advancement in this process of talks
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:05 pm

Well here's one (sort of) Kyrenian who can see both sides as posted above. Should he go/not go? Think I'll sit on the fence get a sore bum on this one for now.
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:55 am

Talking from a PR publicity point of view, the visit could be a major victory for him.

He is from the Kyrenia district, so presumably he will visit his birth place thus giving the press a human interest story- Score one point

He will not show ID or passport to go through the barricades, score two points

He will give an interview as president of Cyprus to the foreign press while in the north, score three points

He will go peacefully, in a dignified way, thus contrasting with the Erdoghan full military circus, score four points

I could go on but you get the idea. Assuming the day is managed properly the overall effect can be quite positive.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:45 am

Papadopoulos comes from Ashia and he could have gone to see his beloved village and sell image. This however is exactly what he was trying to avoid because he was only interested in maintaing the status quo.

Christofias has a different agenda, it seems. The time for scoring points has long gone. What is at stake now is the solution of the Cyprus problem, as soon as possible, for tomorrow it is going to be too late. Christofias knows this only too well. He was suffocated by Papadopoulos and he will do anything to move the process. I think in Talat he has a willing partner and the recent developments in Turkey are also very positive.

So, going to Kyrenia or anywhere else, can only be seen as part of the effort to reach an agreement for final solution. Things look promising, let us hope for the best.
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Postby miltiades » Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:15 am

pantheman wrote:
Oracle wrote:Our President has every right to visit any and all parts of his country.



He may have every right, but I think he is/was wrong to go.

He should have not gone in protest at the occupation forces presence and make a political and international point. This would have been reported worldwide and people would get to hear that we are under attack from invading forces in the 21st centuary.

Shame on the EU and UN for allowing this situation to continue, they themselves are a disgrace and a farce.

I have no faith in Christofias, I think he is going to sell us out. Bring back TPap, that way we can be sure.

I see that you are in total agreement with your heroine but dreadfully wrong , just as wrong as she is . Christophias has gone where others have failed to go , new boundaries new visions .
The very fact that while in the occupied part he is seen as the President of the RoC , the very fact that he DID NOT have to present documents to enter a part of an island that he is recognised worldwide as being the President of is a major step forward.
The EU and the UN will see this momentous move as one of courage and statesmanship . We can not go against the International wish and more importantly the European desire to see a united Cyprus , every little step towards that aspiration of all involved is a great step. Let the doubting Thomases take a minute or two and ponder over this hugely important event that will undoubtedly be seen as a major step towards reunification not on Turkeys terms , as the AP was , but on the terms of logicality , reason and respect for each others concerns.
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