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[miltiades]

Oracle do please act your age and respect your own intelligence .
1821 Greece and 21st century Cyprus , a fully fledged democracy , a member of the UN and most importantly a part of Europe , are as diverse as chalk and cheese. No comparison WHATSOEVER .
Today we have our own world recognised government .Greece did not in 1821.
Today we have our own armed forces . Greece did not . Today we have the backing of the UN and Europe but only as far as legitimate and peaceful means are concerned. Do you for a minute think that the EU and the UN will be likely to support a war against Turkey which in itself would be harakiri !!!
No Oracle , the only war we can win and will win will be the one that we are currently contacting , the political war , the ability to continue with the embargoes in place and the opposition to recognition of the occupied part of Cyprus.
Any other action will be catastrophic beyond imagination and will NEVER produce any solution other than the end of any further political negotiations as we have today.

[murf62]

May I suggest this thread gets re-titled and moved to the Cyprus Problem forum. Can any of you even remember what it was supposed to be about?

[denizaksulu]

Pure unadulterated nonsense boy , you have a lot to learn .
There is more Cypriot in my little finger than there is in your entire Australian born body.

Do you really think so? How do you figure that you are more Cypriot than I?

I love my country and I don't want it to be destroyed by the fanatics for the second time

I love Cyprus as well. And why am I a fanatic? Because I support a total embargo on the "trnc". Does that make me an extremist?

this time I say to hell with the extremists we shall stand and fight our corner which has the RoC the UN and most importantly Mother Europe on our side . Your corner has the discredited extremists with big mouths and no trousers making their usual destructive contributions.
You Mr Plonker called me a traitor , you little squirm how dare you .

As always Miltiades, you arguments are high on symbolism but lack substance. Who do you think you are? Sir Winston Churchill who said the following:

" ...We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God's good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old."

At least when Churchill makes such symbolic speeches, people listened which is more than I can say for you "Pappou Krasi". Me thinks that you have had way too much Krasi already and it is still morning in UK.

As for O enjoying more support amongst G/Cs than I , let us see who supports her !! All the extremists whose only agenda is the destruction of this island not the wise and the diplomats amongst us , including of course the entire government of the RoC. Can you tell us of ONE ONLY government minister that shares your views ??? I doubt it

Now, I do not wish to brag here, but let me just say that I am informed of many developments in Cyprus, at my very hearts content, from very high authority. I will not mention any names here. So yes, I know what the Cyprus Government is trying to achieve and your ideals just do not have any where near the vision or insight as what they have!! You are just an "ASS LICKING" old man!

Stay in Australia mate , you are more useful to the preservation of the Australian Kangaroo than the preservation of the future generations of Cypriots , amongst them my grandchildren for whose future in a peaceful and united Cyprus I shall do all that I can to promote.
"Strike deep into Turkey " !!!! remember this shit , no shut up and grow up.

Very soon, our opportunity to strike deep into the "trnc" to liberate our lands is fast approaching. Turkey is in severe crisis. Our window of opportunity will soon dawn after the collapse of the current peace talks, when Europe will no longer accept the humiliation of Turkey occupying it's very own territory and gather a coalition force to liberate Cyprus!! The prerequisites are only now starting to fall in place.

I am not at all pleased to see two intelligent men, Cypriots at that, trying to get one over the other. Why not let the leaders try to solve this damn Cy problem with the likes of you and us giving them our full support.

I can not understand the instilling of hatred towards the TCs (sometimes when you refer to the Turks, I take it you mean the TCs.). What has happened has happened. Both our communities have been victims of 'extremists'. Why does this continuation of poisoning of minds go on. If an agreement will be reached between the two leaders, what will you do then. Sit in a corner and sulk or pick up a gun and retreat to the mountains and rebel against the new republic? What is the point of all this nonsense?

Just because Milti has made a donation to a TC charity, does that make him an enemy of the state. He also has made donations to GC charities.
I too have made a donation and was told that half also went to a charity in the RoC. Does that make me a traitor to my TC brothers? I think not. I have many friends who are GC. am i TOO A TRAITOR BECAUSE OF THIS? Why this hatred? Lets look forward to the future and peace. Stop this pointless squable.

No. I actually mean the Turks. The TCs are now an insignificant minority of Cyprus. They really have no power whatsoever, and can not influence a thing. Pre 74 they formed 18% of the population of the whole island, but today they form only 30% of the "trnc" population and only a mere 7.5% of the total population of Cyprus. The TCs are an endangered species.

Now, what on earth gives you the impression that I do not support our government and it's efforts. You see, the way I say it is that Christofias has so far been doing a good job, but this does not mean that he will solve the problem, because the obstacles that stand in his way are in fact huge. Talat has been contradicting himself so much that he is becoming a laughing stock in the world's eyes. The pendulum of blame will once again swing against Turkey very soon and her EU ambitions will become a very distant dream. I definitely support any effort for a solution as long as such a solution is fair and is a True Federation with a strong central government, single sovereignty, single citizenship, which is a conventional democracy in every sense of the word (1 man, 1 vote) and includes no Treaties of Guarantees or external influences. Anything else will invariably end up in tears and bloodshed down the track. This is my position, since you ask.

And no, I do not consider you a traitor. Do you consider me a traitor? I know that Miltiades does and also questions my Cypriotness, purely for the reason that my views differ to his. I think that he, as a 62 year old man, is the 1 that needs to grow up.

I admit that 1 of my shortfalls may be some nationalistic views which I do possess, but I do not hide behind my finger. I am very upfront and express my views freely. And nationalism can be a by product of ones indoctrination within institutions which thrive on it in order to do certain things.

Funny enough I dont consider either of you as traitors. The only thing that comes to mind is the difference of opinions prior to the events in 1974 which lead to the coup. I know you will say its a different story, but it did not prevent Greek killing Greek (Cypriots or no Cypriots) If GCs among themselves do not see eye to eye, what hope is there for all Cyprus and its peoples.

[denizaksulu]

May I suggest this thread gets re-titled and moved to the Cyprus Problem forum. Can any of you even remember what it was supposed to be about?

Well, I noticed that 'brawl' and 'soldier' are included in the title. I wondered that myself.

[Feisty]

british troops innocent and the bar owner gets no compo a victory for justice I say.

So Justice = undisciplined, thuggish brutality? Its a disgrace, they should re-open the case and keep at it till its solved.

Tess there is absolutely no evidence that these were the people involved in any thuggish behaviour so it is unfair to say that.
Whether the case has been closed or not I don't know but the men that stood trial have been found not guilty.

Not that I expect anyone to answer this as once again a thread gets taken over by the same boring slanging matches.

[Oracle]

british troops innocent and the bar owner gets no compo a victory for justice I say.

So Justice = undisciplined, thuggish brutality? Its a disgrace, they should re-open the case and keep at it till its solved.

Tess there is absolutely no evidence that these were the people involved in any thuggish behaviour so it is unfair to say that.
Whether the case has been closed or not I don't know but the men that stood trial have been found not guilty.

Not that I expect anyone to answer this as once again a thread gets taken over by the same boring slanging matches.

Feisty ignore tess.

Her interests stem from making Cyprus look unfair to the eyes of the world.

I hope this gives your friend Conor confidence that Cyprus is not unjust or corrupt and views facts based on the evidence and not on people's origins.

Tess is only after denigrating the RoC and nothing more.

[Oracle]

Oracle do please act your age and respect your own intelligence .
1821 Greece and 21st century Cyprus , a fully fledged democracy , a member of the UN and most importantly a part of Europe , are as diverse as chalk and cheese. No comparison WHATSOEVER .
Today we have our own world recognised government .Greece did not in 1821.
Today we have our own armed forces . Greece did not . Today we have the backing of the UN and Europe but only as far as legitimate and peaceful means are concerned. Do you for a minute think that the EU and the UN will be likely to support a war against Turkey which in itself would be harakiri !!!
No Oracle , the only war we can win and will win will be the one that we are currently contacting , the political war , the ability to continue with the embargoes in place and the opposition to recognition of the occupied part of Cyprus.
Any other action will be catastrophic beyond imagination and will NEVER produce any solution other than the end of any further political negotiations as we have today.

Miltiades you clearly know nothing about the historic events of 1821 in Cyprus ....

Kindly learn your Cypriot history if you want to avoid anorexia of the brain!

[bigdog]

Glad to see that justice has been done and these inocent young men can get on with there careers

[Oracle]

Glad to see that justice has been done and these inocent young men can get on with there careers

Let's not go overboard ...

[miltiades]

Oracle do please act your age and respect your own intelligence .
1821 Greece and 21st century Cyprus , a fully fledged democracy , a member of the UN and most importantly a part of Europe , are as diverse as chalk and cheese. No comparison WHATSOEVER .
Today we have our own world recognised government .Greece did not in 1821.
Today we have our own armed forces . Greece did not . Today we have the backing of the UN and Europe but only as far as legitimate and peaceful means are concerned. Do you for a minute think that the EU and the UN will be likely to support a war against Turkey which in itself would be harakiri !!!
No Oracle , the only war we can win and will win will be the one that we are currently contacting , the political war , the ability to continue with the embargoes in place and the opposition to recognition of the occupied part of Cyprus.
Any other action will be catastrophic beyond imagination and will NEVER produce any solution other than the end of any further political negotiations as we have today.

Miltiades you clearly know nothing about the historic events of 1821 in Cyprus ....

Kindly learn your Cypriot history if you want to avoid anorexia of the brain!

The relevant post to which I replied was making a comparison of the Greek Revolution against the Ottoman Empire with the current situation in Cyprus today. The circumstances are utterly different .
Thank you for your phlegmatic and ominous suggestion in order to avoid brain anorexia !! Have taken necessary measures and will commence at precisely 1.15 pm with a bottle of medicine so developed by man to sharpen the brain cells , restrain reproductive activities by virtue of total lameness and enhance knowledge on a huge variety of subjects , starting with Oracle's highly tuned and highly misplaced , if not atrophic , brain-ability .