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Postby Oracle » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:41 pm

Ancient Greek 'computer' displayed Olympics calendar

Ian Sample guardian.co.uk, Wednesday July 30 2008

1st Century BC machine may have been inspired by the work of Archimedes

An ancient Greek "computer" used to calculate the movements of the sun, moon and planets has been linked to Archimedes after scientists deciphered previously hidden inscriptions on the device.

X-ray images of the bronze mechanism, which was recovered from a shipwreck more than a century ago, also revealed a sporting calendar that displays the cycle of the prestigious "crown" games, including the Olympics, which were held every four years.

Corroded remains of the device were found in 1901 by spongedivers, who happened upon the shipwreck of a Roman merchant vessel while sheltering from a storm near the tiny Greek island of Antikythera. The ship, which was laden with treasures from the Greek world including bronze statues, pottery and glassware, is believed to have met its fate in the notoriously dangerous stretch of water en route to Italy.

The remarkably complex machine has been dated to around 150 BC, but it has puzzled researchers who have spent decades examining its 80 or so corroded fragments in the hope of learning how it worked and perhaps even who made it.

The device is thought to be the earliest known mechanism to use geared wheels, a feat of engineering that was not to reappear for at least another thousand years in the astronomical clocks of medieval Europe.

Writing in the latest issue of the journal Nature, researchers from Britain and the US describe how they used three-dimensional X-ray imaging to decipher previously unnoticed inscriptions on the back of the device, which was enclosed in a wooden casing the size of a large dictionary.

The images revealed the names of the different months, which were used only in certain parts of north western Greece and Sicily. Intriguingly, it is the same calendar that would have been used in Syracuse, the Sicilian city and home to the great mathematician Archimedes, who is known from ancient texts to have built astronomical machines.

"We know Archimedes did mechanical astronomy here 100 years earlier and this could be from his home city, it could have been inspired by his work, or it could have been a local tradition that he started," said Alexander Jones from the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University, who examined the fragments with British researchers John Steele and Tony Freeth.

The mechanism is likely to have survived only through the good fortune of being aboard the ill-fated vessel, since bronze and other metals at the time were frequently melted down to make other objects when they fell into disrepair or were no longer needed.

"There must have been an unbroken tradition of craftsmen doing this kind of work, but they didn't write it down in books for the most part, they were teaching through workshops and appreticeships, so we're not going to get much other evidence," Jones added.

Further images of the mechanism revealed a previously unknown sporting calendar that marked the times of the Olympiad cycle, naming the prominent Nemean, Isthmian, Pythian and Olympic games. The events were so popular that truces were often called in times of war to allow people safe passage to attend them.

The unexpected discovery of the sporting calendar suggests the device was more than a mere tool for teaching and popularising the workings of the cosmos. "The machine as a whole was not just showing high science, showing astronomy, but was linking science to the cultural cycles of the Greeks," said Jones.

The machine, which was probably driven by a hand-operated crank, used a collection of inter-meshing gears to calculate the positions of the sun and moon, the dates of eclipses, and possibly the positions of the five planets known about at the time. "Our idea of what ancient astronomy was doing at the time is very much a patchwork of fragmentary bits of evidence that start fitting together when we relate them to this," said Jones.

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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:48 pm

I wondered who would pick up on this news. Quite remarkable. Oracle will now claim 'copyright' I suppose. :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:10 am

Along with Hellim and Lokum :evil:
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Postby SSBubbles » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:17 am

denizaksulu wrote:I wondered who would pick up on this news. Quite remarkable. Oracle will now claim 'copyright' I suppose. :lol: :lol:




:shock: 'Copy and Paste' too, tut, tut!'


BTW, is it worth the read? I cannot stand the bold or the colour so I bypassed most of it! Wonder if that makes me a lunatic? :wink: :wink:
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:40 am

Leaving aside the silly nationalism of both sides, an interesting article.
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Postby SSBubbles » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:46 am

bill cobbett wrote:Leaving aside the silly nationalism of both sides, an interesting article.



I changed the 'bold and colour' and read the article after reading your post, and I have to agree with you BillC - interesting indeed!
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Postby Oracle » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:59 am

I'm impressed you were eventually shamed into bothering to read it. :roll:

But I guess you were just trying to figure out if you could use it to Google ....... :lol:

(Please top-up on your medication before you post your reply this time!)
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Postby SSBubbles » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:01 am

Oracle wrote:I'm impressed you were eventually shamed into bothering to read it. :roll:

But I guess you were just trying to figure out if you could use it to Google ....... :lol:

(Please top-up on your medication before you post your reply this time!)



Morning O!

Who are you talking to now? Yourself again! :roll: :roll:

I had no shame at all dear, but a top tip for you; if you want people to read your 'interesting' posts just leave them in 'natural' format - no need for all that nonsense bold and different colour scheme - why! anyone would think you were a scientist! :roll: :roll:


Don't do drugs - do you? :shock: :shock:
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