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[Bananiot]

Halil, the pontians are just a drop of water in the ocean. They are two few to affect the result. It's the people from Paphos, Limassol and Larnaca to some extend, I am scared off. They gained much since 1974 and being conservative in nature they wouldn't want a change that may jeopardise their future. Of course we all know that a free, united Cyprus will only boost all the parts of Cyprus, but just you try selling this to a Paphian.

[iceman]

What i want is for the Turkish Cypriots (and i mean pre 74 TC's)to be given a chance to decide on their future.
Judging by the look of things today,this will never happen and both sides of the stick is shitty for the TC's.
Given the chance i am sure TC's will prefer to have a decent share in a unified Cyprus (BBF) rather than being extinct in a mainland Turkish administered TRNC.
Today,TC's are a minority in the north and their numbers are droping at an alarming rate.
At no stage in their history the TC's were subject to such an extinction..not even in the days of EOKA & Enosis..(at least we had a chance to fight against extinction in those days)
I ask you partition supporters...WHAT COMMON GROUND DO YOU HAVE WITH THE TURKISH/KURDISH/ARAB SETTLERS FROM TURKEY?

maybe you should come and spend some time in your country and experience the situation at first hand before supporting your partition ideas.

Selam iceman

I am just wondering......What do you think would have been the fate of the TCs if Turkey had not come......For arguments sake, lets take out any massacres that might of happened and look at it from a purely political perspective.


p.s.

My sisters live here now, as you suggest and do not think the way you do so just living here is not the answer.



I will have to look at your reply tonight as we are off out now. Please don't take offense at my questions....I really am interested even though you spat the word "Partitionist in my face it seems. Can you PM me the link so I don't lose it? I feel this might turn into a hot thread

Hi zan
First of all,welcome to Cyprus and i hope you have a nice holiday.
I never accept the theory that,had Turkey not come in 74 GC's would have wiped us overnight..that's no more than an assumption and we all know assumption is the mother of all fuckups.

As to your sisters living here and being happy with the status quo,don't get this wrong but you will have to tell me what financial benefits they have had from the outcome of the situation since 74.
Are they living in a previously GC owned house or were they given previously GC owned land?

[iceman]

What i want is for the Turkish Cypriots (and i mean pre 74 TC's)to be given a chance to decide on their future.
Judging by the look of things today,this will never happen and both sides of the stick is shitty for the TC's.
Given the chance i am sure TC's will prefer to have a decent share in a unified Cyprus (BBF) rather than being extinct in a mainland Turkish administered TRNC.
Today,TC's are a minority in the north and their numbers are droping at an alarming rate.
At no stage in their history the TC's were subject to such an extinction..not even in the days of EOKA & Enosis..(at least we had a chance to fight against extinction in those days)
I ask you partition supporters...WHAT COMMON GROUND DO YOU HAVE WITH THE TURKISH/KURDISH/ARAB SETTLERS FROM TURKEY?

maybe you should come and spend some time in your country and experience the situation at first hand before supporting your partition
ideas.

Iceman, i would rather be overrun by Turks 100 times rather than once by a GC. If they do unify the island how long until the north also becomes predominantly gc, then administered by gc's?? The situation will become something very close to what happened to the palestians when the jews started to buy up their land. So in a way you're right either way the TC's are fucked but atleast their rights are protected as a minority to the republic of Turkey.

Big Al
What you fail to see is that THERE WILL BE NO TC's LEFT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE...not even minority!!!

[iceman]

What i want is for the Turkish Cypriots (and i mean pre 74 TC's)to be given a chance to decide on their future.
Judging by the look of things today,this will never happen and both sides of the stick is shitty for the TC's.
Given the chance i am sure TC's will prefer to have a decent share in a unified Cyprus (BBF) rather than being extinct in a mainland Turkish administered TRNC.
Today,TC's are a minority in the north and their numbers are droping at an alarming rate.
At no stage in their history the TC's were subject to such an extinction..not even in the days of EOKA & Enosis..(at least we had a chance to fight against extinction in those days)
I ask you partition supporters...WHAT COMMON GROUND DO YOU HAVE WITH THE TURKISH/KURDISH/ARAB SETTLERS FROM TURKEY?

maybe you should come and spend some time in your country and experience the situation at first hand before supporting your partition ideas.

well done İceman . Good spot .

also all foreigners must not vote in south as well . (Like Pontus or Pontions) Before 74 Cypriots must decide .

If there is a agreement . Do you want to return Limassol ?
If you are returning back or not Why ?

Halil
The percentage of the foreigners in the ROC is not at an alarming rate and in no way possess any danger in changing the structure of GC population.
They are not given citizenship rights such as voting and deciding the future of Cypriots like TRNC has done in the north.

If there is an agreement,i have no plans of returning back to Limassol because home is not only where your property is...We are all a part of a society/community and my society/community was all moved to north in 1974.
Having said that,i want the rights to my property as i would support the rights for any Cypriot to their property.

[Big Al]

What i want is for the Turkish Cypriots (and i mean pre 74 TC's)to be given a chance to decide on their future.
Judging by the look of things today,this will never happen and both sides of the stick is shitty for the TC's.
Given the chance i am sure TC's will prefer to have a decent share in a unified Cyprus (BBF) rather than being extinct in a mainland Turkish administered TRNC.
Today,TC's are a minority in the north and their numbers are droping at an alarming rate.
At no stage in their history the TC's were subject to such an extinction..not even in the days of EOKA & Enosis..(at least we had a chance to fight against extinction in those days)
I ask you partition supporters...WHAT COMMON GROUND DO YOU HAVE WITH THE TURKISH/KURDISH/ARAB SETTLERS FROM TURKEY?

maybe you should come and spend some time in your country and experience the situation at first hand before supporting your partition
ideas.

Iceman, i would rather be overrun by Turks 100 times rather than once by a GC. If they do unify the island how long until the north also becomes predominantly gc, then administered by gc's?? The situation will become something very close to what happened to the palestians when the jews started to buy up their land. So in a way you're right either way the TC's are fucked but atleast their rights are protected as a minority to the republic of Turkey.

Big Al
What you fail to see is that THERE WILL BE NO TC's LEFT IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE...not even minority!!!

And what, living under GC's will change that????
The blood of Turkish soldiers wasnt spilt inorder for cyprus to be handed back to the GC's. let it flood with turks instead i say.

[iceman]

And what, living under GC's will change that????
The blood of Turkish soldiers wasnt spilt inorder for cyprus to be handed back to the GC's. let it flood with turks instead i say.

I dont recall supportng an idea of living under GC's..where did you get that one from?
The blood of Turkish soldiers was not spilled to separate Cyprus either...(at least thats not what the treaty gave Turkey as a guarantor power)

[Kikapu]

What i want is for the Turkish Cypriots (and i mean pre 74 TC's)to be given a chance to decide on their future.
Judging by the look of things today,this will never happen and both sides of the stick is shitty for the TC's.
Given the chance i am sure TC's will prefer to have a decent share in a unified Cyprus (BBF) rather than being extinct in a mainland Turkish administered TRNC.
Today,TC's are a minority in the north and their numbers are droping at an alarming rate.
At no stage in their history the TC's were subject to such an extinction..not even in the days of EOKA & Enosis..(at least we had a chance to fight against extinction in those days)
I ask you partition supporters...WHAT COMMON GROUND DO YOU HAVE WITH THE TURKISH/KURDISH/ARAB SETTLERS FROM TURKEY?

maybe you should come and spend some time in your country and experience the situation at first hand before supporting your partition ideas.

Well said Iceman.

The intended plan by Denktash and the Gang to steal and seal off the north from the rest of Cyprus by force since 1974 with years of indoctrination to make the Turkish Cypriot detach themselves from being a Cypriot to become a Turk instead was working, and if you look around the forum, you can see people like BigAl, VP, Zan, Soyer and many others only see themselves as Turks. As long as Turkey was there with her troops to assist Denktash to carry out his ethnic cleansing of the GC's from the north and at the same time ethnic cleansing of the TC identity. This crime against humanity would have succeeded in due course. The only act that has put the brakes on this intended plan was for Cyprus entering the EU and Turkey still remaining outside the EU. This occurrence alone is what is going to save the extinction of the TC identity.

All those who throw empty slogans that they rather live under Turkey than live in Cyprus with majority GC's in a mixed society are the ones who have lost their TC identities, and or, who have become morally corrupted and are enjoying the spoils of war. They further believe very foolishly, that once the settlers take control over the north politically from the TC's, if the north were to be legally partitioned, that they the TC's will be running the north, is when they will get the doze of reality check of their future. The TC's have managed to maintain their full identity in Cyprus, as a minority against the majority GC's for the last 400+ years, but have lost most of it in the last 30+ years. So the question to all the NeoPartitionist on the forum is, just who is a greater danger to the TC's existence with their identity, the GC's or the settlers.??

I believe you have already given us the answer Iceman, and I THANK YOU for it.

[Big Al]

You will be living under GC's because you will be a minority in both the south and eventually in the north, how long do you think it will take before GC's outnumber TC's in the north should a solution be found??
Within a matter of a few years the north will become dominated by GC's, as a result another referendum will be held to dissolve the BBF and bring both under one central government run by GC's.

[Bananiot]

My God, you sound so much like Papadopoulos Big Al. He was warning us that the Turk would be a master in the north and a partner in the south had we accepted anything short of his idea of solution.

[Kikapu]

You will be living under GC's because you will be a minority in both the south and eventually in the north, how long do you think it will take before GC's outnumber TC's in the north should a solution be found??
Within a matter of a few years the north will become dominated by GC's, as a result another referendum will be held to dissolve the BBF and bring both under one central government run by GC's.

Every country have their majority and minority. It is not these factors alone that determine how a country is run in modern times and specially being a EU member. We are not talking about many other Muslim countries, including Turkey, where the minority is persecuted directly or indirectly. True Democracies are not perfect but the alternatives are even worse, so what are the options left other than re create another Racist and Undemocratic Constitution of 1960's, just like the Annan Plan was, which were the basis for our problems in the first place in Cyprus. A functioning True Democracy for all Cypriots that is Fair and Just is what we need to push for, or else, all other options are nothing but divisive measures that are intended to prevent True Democracy to flourish and all a while, waiting for the next troubles to begin.