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[eracles]

You told me you won't trust a GC but then complain that a TC might have been treated differently. Enjoyed our chat but go to go.

[Viewpoint]

You told me you won't trust a GC but then complain that a TC might have been treated differently. Enjoyed our chat but go to go.

[humanist]

hey people so what happened yesterday. Did the leaders have their official reunification meeting? what time lines did they give, I gotta start saving for my unification attendance trip to Cy .....


OOops I just realised am a month ahead of schedule, it's only August. I feel silly or may be eager to see all Cypriots sharing equally in their country.

[Cem]

pantheman, I know that talat is a mere puppet to Turkey though things are brewing the TC's can no longer stand seeing the free areas excell in europe and they are mising out. .

So the leaders meetings is nothing but a "muppet show"..
In the foreground, the "Euro-Muppet" Xtofias and the "Turkish-Muppet" Talat seemingly doing the talks...
In the background, it is E.U and Turkey which are conducting the real negotiations..

[/I think Christofias is onto what Turkey is aiming to do. But I think he demilitarisation of the Island is a way of getting turkey out of the way. Now its all up to the TC's as to what they want. .

If it were up to TCs alone , then there wouldn't be any problem. I am afraid you don't know who is "blowing the whistle" in the north. I gather from some of the comments I received with respect to my early post regarding the settlers' involvement in a possible referendum, that if Turkey is somewhat "persuaded" into Cy reunification, then settlers will be again used into voting "yes" just like during AP. That is why, the GC side doesn't seem make a fuss over the voting yet in the hope that EU will push Turkey into a "Yes", so settlers vote is guaranteed.

It is also up to all Cypriots not to vote for something they do not support when it goes to referendum.

Again, this time it would be in the interest of ALL Cypriots to push as hard as they can for a solution. In case of failure, the outcome will surely be disastrous for TCs but the prospects won't be any brighter for GCs as well such as the permanent loss of their properties to Turkey's "wild capitalism" along with international scavengers such as the Israelis.
There is a huge and ill-concealed construction activity going on in Karpaz peninsula which is bound to transform the landscape into the "likes" of Agia Napa....
And I want this to STOP !!!

[roseandchan]

i think turkey is fed up with funding the north and wants to join the eu. so i think maybe it is forcing mr talat to be more reasonable, even if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have many options open to him. yes i did read on the internet somewhere that this year they gave away lots of kimlik cards to the turkish. most have no money and have been here a minimal amount of time. i did wonder if this was to do with the forthcoming talks at the time. they didn't give them to us brits, maybe because as europeans they couldn't be sure which way we would vote.

[Nikitas]

One way to stop the destructin of Karpasia is to bring it within the ambit of the Natura 2000 scheme. But for that to happen the north must accept and apply the EU legal order, which it will not do.

This is symptomatic of the overall attitude of the TCs to everything, they want an ala carte approach where they choose what suits them and reject what does not. As Talat said , the law favors the GCs, so the TCs must seek a solution that goes above the law, and by law he meant EU regulations. With an attitude like that any objective observer can predict the outcome of the talks. Unless Talat has changed this attitude which remains to be seen.

[Kikapu]

It was announced late last year, that unless 50,000 more settlers were given "TC citizenship's", Turkey was not going to pay the 13th month pay to the civil servants.

I guess the "pencil pushers" have gotten their 13th month pay.!!

"Money Talks & Bullshit Walks"!

[Cem]

I think turkey is fed up with funding the north and wants to join the EU. so i think maybe it is forcing mr talat to be more reasonable, even if he doesn't like it, he doesn't have many options open to him

That is what I am thinking too..The local governments have always been on the spending spree in the past and -unlike now-their requests for additional budgetary support has never been denied to them..I think
Either:
the carpet-salesman Erdogan is doing this on purpose to force the TC on their knees so that they would not stall during talks...
Or:
the carpet-salesman Erdogan has a different agenda such as the one below

It was announced late last year, that unless 50,000 more settlers were given "TC citizenship's", Turkey was not going to pay the 13th month pay to the civil servants.

Because I had heard about this one too..

One way to stop the destruction of Karpasia is to bring it within the ambit of the Natura 2000 scheme. But for that to happen the north must accept and apply the EU legal order, which it will not do

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Nikitas, this is a very URGENT issue and can not wait anymore. Karpasia is one of the least touched upon heavens of the world and once it is destroyed by the high-rise 5 star hotels and the likes, there will be no turning back regardless of its being either under GC or TC rule. For a start, I would like to see comrade Xtofias take immediate action and force Talat to suspend any more "development" activity there. Futher, I would have no objection to have GCs moving to their properties there provided that 1) they don't transform it into the likes of Agia Napa and the scheme you mentioned above immediately applies 2) In my occasional visits there I hope I wouldn't be denied to be served my favorite sea foods plus some coffee even if the ownership of restaurant(s) may have changed hands (GC run).

[Cem]

A Preliminary part of the solution to CyProb would be:

1) All maronites can be allowed to return since this wouldn't mean removal of anyone else because their villages have been kept intact on account of their closeness to the military areas.
2) Ditto for armenians..
3) The GC in Karpasia...in stages in parallel to "Kofi" Kikapu plan..

As for other areas, let the leaders--Oops--I mean EU and Turkey decide..

My only concern is that there should be an area predominantly TC in the north whose demographic structure is not to be upset by the incoming GCs. On the other hand, demographic restrictions may not apply to Karpasia and Varosha..
The Turkish army may pull out in stages as stipulated in Kofi Kikapu plan and by the end of 10th year, the pullout would be complete and EU "acquis communautaire" applies in full scale to the north.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

2) In my occasional visits there I hope I wouldn't be denied to be served my favorite sea foods plus some coffee even if the ownership of restaurant(s) may have changed hands (GC run).

Coffee and sea food!? blerh!

My only concern is that there should be an area predominantly TC in the north whose demographic structure is not to be upset by the incoming GCs. On the other hand, demographic restrictions may not apply to Karpasia and Varosha..
The Turkish army may pull out in stages as stipulated in Kofi Kikapu plan and by the end of 10th year, the pullout would be complete and EU "acquis communautaire" applies in full scale to the north.

This exclusive TC majority area...is this for say ten years or forever?