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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:29 pm

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humanist wrote:pantheman, I know that talat is a mere puppet to Turkey though things are brewing the TC's can no longer stand seeing the free areas excell in europe and they are mising out. They are also discovering freedom and are probably seeing right through Turkeys use and abuse of them.

As far as hallils propaganda posts well take it just as that.

I think Christofias is onto what Turkey is aiming to do. But I think he demilitarisation of the Island is a way of getting turkey out of the way. Now its all up to the TC's as to what they want. It is also up to all Cypriots not to vote for something they do not support when it goes to referendum.


I agree neither side should agree to anything they do not want both sides have the right to say NO.

Which areas are the GCs excelling?

Here are just some . Banking , Insurance , Shipping , Corporate events , to name just a few .


So? Switzerland and Sweden are way ahead of the south so what?


Yes VP, shipping is very big in Switzerland.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Banking?? you are yet again showing signs of immaturity.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:07 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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humanist wrote:pantheman, I know that talat is a mere puppet to Turkey though things are brewing the TC's can no longer stand seeing the free areas excell in europe and they are mising out. They are also discovering freedom and are probably seeing right through Turkeys use and abuse of them.

As far as hallils propaganda posts well take it just as that.

I think Christofias is onto what Turkey is aiming to do. But I think he demilitarisation of the Island is a way of getting turkey out of the way. Now its all up to the TC's as to what they want. It is also up to all Cypriots not to vote for something they do not support when it goes to referendum.


I agree neither side should agree to anything they do not want both sides have the right to say NO.

Which areas are the GCs excelling?

Here are just some . Banking , Insurance , Shipping , Corporate events , to name just a few .


So? Switzerland and Sweden are way ahead of the south so what?


Yes VP, shipping is very big in Switzerland.!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Banking?? you are yet again showing signs of immaturity.


Yes I was and I plead guilty your honour.! :lol:

So what's your point VP. ??

Countries with such developed economies in the areas Miltiades mentioned improves the economic health of any nation, which also improves the lives of it's citizens. Well, the Swiss and the Swedish live very nicely if I may say so, and in comparison to the north, the south is also doing much better, so why are you knocking such economic achievements. Don't you also wish to have the same economic successes in the north also.?? Unlike you, my wish for a fair settlement in Cyprus is to bring economic success to all points of Cyprus, so that the north does not just depend on selling and buying stolen GC properties to run their "false economy", which will dry up very quickly with the downturn of the economy in the UK, for those who would borrow money against their houses, so that they can buy stolen GC properties in the north. Tough days are yet to come to the north I'm afraid, and if Turkey's threat goes ahead without extra funding for the "trnc" in the future, you are going to have a real mess in your hands. Perhaps that's what Talat meant, when he said that the "TC's needed a solution more than the GC's". Well, he is right, since the economic workhorses for any nation that Miltiades mentioned are not available in the north.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:29 pm

My point is that promoting the GC south as this perfect example of economic development is not going to impress TCs as there are many countries who are much better than the south who have enjoyed the sole benefits of stealing and sqeezing what it can from a recognized state. (They should kiss the ground the Brits walk on in Ayia Napa) You should never forget that you have not seen first hand the standard of living of TCs in the North which has been sustained in the face of in humane embargoes and restirctions which did not begin in 1974 so therefore you have noway of comparing the 2. We may not be above the GC south wealth wise but I can assure you that we are better off than many countries even those that have just entered the EU. How we develop and who supports us is our business and no amount of doom and gloom from people like yourself who only wish the worst for TCs so they may be forced into begging for c a solution will always lose out as we will never do this and would rather officially become part of Turkey than submit to GC domination and discrimination.
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Postby humanist » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:02 pm

VP your ego does not allow you to see a great many things. I am sorry to say it is people like you on the other side that contribute to the status quo. The TC's are by far impressed by what they have seen in the free areas and that is precisely why they have taken up RoC id cards, passports, cross over for work each and every day.

You may be a well off Turk in the north and may not have to look far for your bread and butter but the 7000 people who cross every day that is not the case.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:27 am

humanist wrote:VP your ego does not allow you to see a great many things. I am sorry to say it is people like you on the other side that contribute to the status quo. The TC's are by far impressed by what they have seen in the free areas and that is precisely why they have taken up RoC id cards, passports, cross over for work each and every day.

You may be a well off Turk in the north and may not have to look far for your bread and butter but the 7000 people who cross every day that is not the case.


They sell their labour to the highest bidder but they all return to the north every night as they do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs.

The reason they take up passports is not because they feel aligned to the south or want to live there but because its on offer and makes their lives easier when going abroad, plus the south tells the world they are the sole representatives of all the Cypriots so they have to provide the basics and that happens to include passports and medical care. Why dont they stop them? ask yourself that.
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Postby humanist » Thu Jul 31, 2008 7:49 am

well that souynds like they have no integrity what so ever and they compromise their values for a buck, hmmmmm
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:34 am

humanist wrote:well that souynds like they have no integrity what so ever and they compromise their values for a buck, hmmmmm


If you havent noticed its a dog eat dog world out there , if the GCs were offered 20.000 euros each with no strings their integrity would go right out of the window and they would queue up day and night to get something for free. The TCs are no different they are human and if something beneficial is offered for free they to will take it no questions asked, what you should be questioning is why the GCs do not stop these benefits and what do they have to gain from it? or maybe they just do not have a choice and begrudgingly have to put up with it becuase they want to reep the political benefits.
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Postby humanist » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:02 pm

each to their own VP. I recognise Turkey as an invading force on Cyprus soil, that killed my people to this I couldn't cae what they have to offer I am not buying even a peanut from them. Thats where I sit on this one. I compromise nothing to benefit individually or collectively.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:30 pm

humanist wrote:each to their own VP. I recognise Turkey as an invading force on Cyprus soil, that killed my people to this I couldn't cae what they have to offer I am not buying even a peanut from them. Thats where I sit on this one. I compromise nothing to benefit individually or collectively.


You would be in the same group that have not gotten a passport for the GC state or used the hospitals in the south.
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:33 pm

Viewpoint wrote:My point is that promoting the GC south as this perfect example of economic development is not going to impress TCs as there are many countries who are much better than the south who have enjoyed the sole benefits of stealing and sqeezing what it can from a recognized state. (They should kiss the ground the Brits walk on in Ayia Napa) You should never forget that you have not seen first hand the standard of living of TCs in the North which has been sustained in the face of in humane embargoes and restirctions which did not begin in 1974 so therefore you have noway of comparing the 2. We may not be above the GC south wealth wise but I can assure you that we are better off than many countries even those that have just entered the EU. How we develop and who supports us is our business and no amount of doom and gloom from people like yourself who only wish the worst for TCs so they may be forced into begging for c a solution will always lose out as we will never do this and would rather officially become part of Turkey than submit to GC domination and discrimination.


Without Turkeys help, which as an occupying power has an obligation to support you, you will be in worse situation than Turks living in Turkey. Also, if GC stolen properties were not traded, sanctioned by your leaders in aiding and abetting it, plus monies from other illegal activities, you will be shit out of luck and you know it too damn well. When many of the TC's and almost all of the settlers are living rent free in GC's properties which is nothing more than a welfare state, and on top of which, many TC's go to the south for their daily bread money as well as hospitalization plus other benefits, therefore you can hardly compare it to other countries economies when their citizens who need to pay for most basic things in life and keep the economy going at the same time with their own industries.

What I want for the TC's is what I want for all Cypriots, which is to live in a Democratic Country with all the political and human rights preserved and economically moving forward. The fact that the TC's come back to the north every night, is no indication that they would not rather live in the south. The question is, are they willing to take the risk for themselves or their families they leave in the north to be harassed and intimidated by your THUGS by declaring them TRAITORS. You are a prime example of calling others TRAITORS if it does not favour in supporting the illegal "state" in the north, and don't tell me people will not be subjected to be terrorized. The days of the TMT will return to control the TC's in the north from "jumping ship", even without a "life jacket".!!

As for your choice between living in a Democratic Cyprus or becoming part of Turkey, is a easy one. All TC's who wish to be part of Turkey, can ask to immigrate to Turkey and the problem will be solved, that's assuming that the Turks will take the TC's in the first place. My guess is, you will be told to take a hike unless part of Cyprus comes with it. They have enough people in Turkey, and they don't need more mouths to feed. But if they say YES, then you will have Turkey's Guarantorship from now until eternity in Turkey, or at least as long as Turkey stays intact. You do not own any part of Cyprus to take it with you to give it to Turkey. It is about time you have learned this very simple problem that you keep threatening everyone with. Just like Iceman very bravely has been telling Zan in many ways the last day or so, in which I would characterize it, that the TC's and the settlers are very much like
OIL & WATER, in which the settlers are the OIL since they are the majority and are all on top of you, and getting OILIER by the minute.!!
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