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[MicAtCyp]

Well, if the SG is a puppet of the Americans and their allies, and if all these people are our enemies, what chance do we have? We might as well commit suicide. Unless you predict that the American reign is coming to an end pretty soon and a new world order is established.

Soon enough you will discover what is already known. That the US is TOTALLY bankrupt.They spend 5 trillion a year for Military and ALL that adds up to their external deficit.And to whom do they owe? To the Japanese? Noooo.To the Europeans. Which other nation in the world can afford for ever their total budget for their Ministry of defence to be due?

The common secret so far, is that the US cannot continue playing the tough boy and the International policeman for ever.They will continue doing so as long as Europe allows them continue the dirty job.Because in fact Europe needs someone to stand against other nuclear powers emmerging.

You ask about our chances? It only makes me laugh...

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Viewpoint,Bananiot et al

If the philosophy of the Plan is to steal 2/3 of the properties of the GCs and donate them to TCs and settlers then this philosophy has to change or the plan be thown in the dustbin.I can list another 10 reasons why the philosophy of the plan has to change...

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Kifeas,

The Asteroid wants cosmetic changes to the Anan Plan, or Papadopoulos removed.

[Bananiot]

Soon the economy of the USA will collapse! Believe him at your own peril. Or, goodbye to serious conversation ... probably too much serotonin, at the moment.

[MicAtCyp]

Bananiot,

All you have to do is some search. I am not asking you to be a beleiver without search. Yet if you are bored you may simply examine the route of the US$ Vs the Euro. About the US economy getting collapsed soon, this remains to be seen. It depends how the stealing of the Iraqi oil bussiness will go.If nothing happens get prepared for another war Vs.... terrorism.If of course the EU can afford some more US deficit.

Anyway either you accept the above or not, your point was whether we have a chance going against the will of Americans.To get your answer you have to check what methods the Americans use to enforce their will, other than military force.The number ONE method is lubrication, the number TWO is economic measures, the number THREE is threads. The first did not bring the desirable results so far, the second cannot be applied against an EU member, the third therefore is nothing but hot air...

[Bananiot]

If I were the USA I would be shaking with horror. The end is nigh! Thus, if the Americans cannot treaten us any longer, lets threaten them! Look you sons of a bitche, we are EU and we have the whole of Europe behind us ... or to put it differently, according to the folkloric wisdom "the naked arse saw the nickers and ... defaecated". I wonder if there is a similar expression in Turkish. Insan, where are you?

[Kifeas]

If I were the USA I would be shaking with horror. The end is nigh! Thus, if the Americans cannot treaten us any longer, lets threaten them! Look you sons of a bitche, we are EU and we have the whole of Europe behind us ... or to put it differently, according to the folkloric wisdom "the naked arse saw the nickers and ... defaecated". I wonder if there is a similar expression in Turkish. Insan, where are you?

Bananiot,
Did you just say that because the Americans are bigger and more powerful we must obey them and do whatever they order us?

Who is the naked arse?

[Bananiot]

Lets say the bull is not very patriotic when it rushes straight to the madator's sward. At least, in the case of the bull its only the wretched animal that loses its life.

But the notion that the USA is about to collapse has thrown everything we have discussed so far to the dustbin. To even contemplate that we, the tiny minnows of Cyprus, can play big politics due to EU and start threatening the big fish, is hilarious and of course speaks loud of the intellect of the people proposing this.

[MicAtCyp]

your point was whether we have a chance going against the will of Americans. To get your answer you have to check what methods the Americans use to enforce their will, other than military force.The number ONE method is lubrication, the number TWO is economic measures, the number THREE is threads. The first did not bring the desirable results so far, the second cannot be applied against an EU member, the third therefore is nothing but hot air...

And heres is the intellect of an Asteroid

To even contemplate that we, the tiny minnows of Cyprus, can play big politics due to EU and start threatening the big fish, is hilarious and of course speaks loud of the intellect of the people proposing this.

[Bananiot]

Well, when the man says that whether or not the Americans can succeed to enforce their will depends on the ... method they use (and the suckers have only three options, plan a, plan b and plan c) then I find the logic pretty disturbing.

Hope they are reading the think tank of the forum and rethink their strategy. Perhaps they can come up with some more options. Perhaps they are scrambling to avoid the economic bankruptcy or perhaps he makes them laugh.

[Kifeas]

Well, when the man says that whether or not the Americans can succeed to enforce their will depends on the ... method they use (and the suckers have only three options, plan a, plan b and plan c) then I find the logic pretty disturbing.

Hope they are reading the think tank of the forum and rethink their strategy. Perhaps they can come up with some more options. Perhaps they are scrambling to avoid the economic bankruptcy or perhaps he makes them laugh.

Bananiot,
Do you by any chance mean to say that because the Americans have power we should accept the Annan Plan?

[Bananiot]

Don't be silly Kifeas, this is exactly what I do not mean. However, we should treat the USA with respect and stop blaming the Americans for all the wrong doings in this world. In this way we have a better chance of convincing the USA to take a closer look at our point of view. We should grow up and stop thinking that we are the victims and the whole world is conspiring against us. We are as much as to blame for our predicament as our adversaries. When the President of the Republic and the President of the Parliament point their fingers at the Americans and the Brits and declare them the perpetual enemies of Cyprus (they have both said this publicly. Christofias even spelled it out during a recent visit to London) then we should be worried. This is not how serious politicians who care for their country behave towards the most powerful nations on earth. Such behaviour would be damaging to say the least, even if they were 100% right. What has happened to diplomacy in this place? What has happened to the political culture? Our leaders seem to have forgotten the golden rule of politics. It does not matter if you are absolutely right. Things will not work for you simply because you are right and correct. Politics is the art of the feasible and people who forget this basic rule have damaged seriously their causes. I know, I am stating the obvious. It’s a platitude, but our leaders seem to care only for the appeasement of the domestic market since this is how they have helped shape the public opinion. You can blame them too for the creation of a spineless society where people have been conditioned to cheer every cretin statement of our leaders without questioning their enormous wisdom. Perhaps this is their greater sin towards Cyprus. They have destroyed our soul, hence the nepotism, the corruption and the involvement of all politicians in every single scandal that has come to the open.