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[achilles]

Dont waste my time with you. Sorry but You said full of shit for Turks. So Dont care what you think, and I think you are a patriot.(Just dont want to insult you). And Patriots like you destroyed the land. Dont accuse the Turkey. We didnt force you for killing Turks. And they can decide with their own. They have their parlament. And I think Denktas always decide acording to his mind. When Turkey is forcing Denktas for A-Plan, he refused it. So it looks like we cant force Denktas, So how do you think we can force Talat.

Have a nice day, Wont waste my time with you anymore.
Clean the full of shits if you can. Or clean your mind from full of shit, Just your preference.

You are the first person that i have ever witnessed claiming that the pseudo-state of NC is sovereign. The fact that its a puppet state is more than obvious and arguying over it is somewhat futile. SO what are you suggesting? That Denktas was not alligned with the generals of mother Turkey? Please...

It seems that you are a bit touchy. You deny a whole holocaust for which your ancestors are responsible for, and still i am here discussing things with you. (you=plural, although i dont suppose your accept the holocaust)

And since you mentioned shit, i wish i could clean up all the shit i.e. lies, fallacies, propaganda and brainwashing that your educators are filling your minds with. The good thing is that the truth is out there for everyone to see. Everyone willing to see that is...

[achilles]

Hello Mr Achilles

Sometimes surprises are interesting

Question?

Was the invasion of Cyprus by the Greek National Army any less brutal or violent?

When Archbishop Makarios addressed the UN and said that a foreign army had invaded his country he did not mean Turkey

First, it would be helpful if you made up your mind if you will continue wasting my time with me or not

Invasion of Cyprus by the Greek army? If you rephrase this preposterous statement we might find a basis for serious discussion.

Oh ok, Makarios meant the Greek army

My friend, i will take this as a bad joke, cause this is the best it can be...

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Achilles

I do not think that "serious discussion" is within your capabilities.

[achilles]

Mr Achilles

I do not think that "serious discussion" is within your capabilities.

Mr. suetoniuspaulinus, when you say that Greece invaded Cyprus and Makarios complained about it, when you name the pseudostate an independent sovereign state, when you accuse Greece of bullying as if Turkey is not accountable for anything, or when you claim that the Turkish intervention in Cyprus was a humanitarian intervention, i am afraid you dont leave me much room for a serious discussion. That goes, indeed, way beyond my range of capabilities.

But thank you whatsoever...

[Kifeas]

Hello Mr Achilles

Sometimes surprises are interesting

Question?

Was the invasion of Cyprus by the Greek National Army any less brutal or violent?

When Archbishop Makarios addressed the UN and said that a foreign army had invaded his country he did not mean Turkey

Mr. Suetoniuspaulinus,

Should you wish to be considered a serious interlocutor in this forum, I believe you must describe events and state facts using the correct terminology and the appropriate description.

The Coup against Makarios in 1974 was an indirect intervention into the domestic affairs of the RoC by the Greek Junta. A number (not all) of Greek Army officers, which were seconded and were serving in posts within the GC National Guard, presumably acting upon orders of the Junta trio, ordered some units of the National guard to attack Makarios with the aim of overthrowing him and establishing a puppet GC government, under the slogan calling for “Union” with Greece. Of course, this action, which happened on the 15th July 1974, was met with fierce resistance by the pro-government forces and ordinary people, although unsuccessfully, until the Turkish invasion begun only 5 days later.

Now, from this unfortunate event, until your claim that an invasion of Cyprus by the Greek National Army had taken place, there is a distance form earth to the moon.

Furthermore, Makarios, after living Cyprus in order for further bloodshed to be avoided, had indeed addressed the UN Security Council and asked for the international community not to recognise the new state of affairs as it had emerged after the coup, calling it an intervention by the illegitimate Greek Junta into the internal affairs of Cyprus. He asked for help from the international community to restore the de facto constitutional order in Cyprus.

Again, from this fact that I described above, until your claim that when Archbishop Makarios addressed the UN, he said that a foreign army had invaded his country, again there is a distance form here to the moon.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Kifeas

I stand corrected.

I apologise if the information I posted was incorrect or not in an acceptable format.

I had honestly thought that greece had sent troops to Cyprus. Given the difficulty that faced the Turkish army and the equipment used against them it did not even cross my mind that this type of armament was available to the National Guard.

Clearly, opinion without the basis of factual support remains only opinion.

I appreciate your correction and more importantly the manner with which it was given.

Duly embarrassed I shall endeavor to research my hasty responses in the future.

[Kifeas]

Mr Kifeas
I had honestly thought that greece had sent troops to Cyprus. Given the difficulty that faced the Turkish army and the equipment used against them it did not even cross my mind that this type of armament was available to the National Guard.

The only Greek army that was used to confront the Turkish invasion was the ELDYK unit (a battalion of about 900 soldiers,) and took part in the battle for the defence of the west suburbs of Nicosia and the Nicosia International airport. An additional company (300 soldiers) of mainland Greek commandos was flight to Cyprus from the island of Crete on the eve of the 21st July, but upon their approach for landing in Nicosia airport, the planes were wrongly taken to be Turkish and 2 of the 10 “Nort Atlas” planes were shot down by GC National Guard AA machineguns, resulting many being killed from the crush.

All the rest of fighting units were purely GC National Guard troops and GC reservist units.


By the way, what army equipment are you talking about, that you said you didn't know it existed? What I know by factual information and from my military service in 1984, all the equipment that was available to the GC national guard in 1974 was dated since the First World War and some from the second world war period.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Tanks, armoured carriers ani aircraft guns

[Kifeas]

Tanks, armoured carriers ani aircraft guns

Where did you see those? In the GC warfare park in Ayios Georgios (karaoglanoglou?)

[gabaston]

Kifaes

Turkey made a similar mistake, and bombed one of her warships.

Anyway do you know how many Samspon Greek Coup soldiers were on Cyprus during the invasion? Where were they and what did they do?