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[Kifeas]

They couldn't do so for 30 years because Turkey and the occupation regime had sealed the occupation "boarder" and they didn't allow even a dog to cross either direction.

Kind of a bit frivolous perhaps but actually the opposite is the case (re movement of dogs accross the border).

Prior to the opening of the border dogs where allowed to cross, as were some UK citizens (primarily but not exclusively those that where in north cyprus prior to 74). Many such expats would on occasion seek medical treatment (not free) for their pets in the south if it was not available in the north.
With the implementation of the 'green line' regulations following EU entry of the south this is no longer allowed (though some people do still 'smuggle' their pets accross the border to seek medical treatment for them). Futher prior to the Green Line regulations the north was an accepted member of the 'pets passport' scheme, which would allow animals (pets) that had met the necessary provisions of the scheme to fly from the north to countries like the UK without having to undergo quarantine when arriving in the UK. Since the green line regulations have come into force this is no longer possible. There is currently no legal way to get pets out of North Cyprus (to the south at all or elsewhere without quarrantien on arrival).

So actually dogs have less ability to cross the north south border in cyprus and travel freely from the north to other countries since the green line regulations than they did before them.

Probably this is a new E.U. regulation regarding transport of animals into E.U. countries.

[erolz]

Probably this is a new E.U. regulation regarding transport of animals into E.U. countries.

There are 2 issues. The first is the movement of animals accross the border. Prior to the Green Line regulations there were no restrictions on the movement of pets accross the border (both before they were opened for all and prior). The Green line regulations prohibits the transport of animals - this is aimed at livestick primarily but also covers pets by default. The second issue is that of the change in the status od the pets passport scheme in the north. No one here is quite sure who exactly made this decision and on what basis it was made (despite quite considerable efforts to establish this) but it happened in conjunction with the green line regulations comming into force.

[Kifeas]

This is the excuse that the Turkish Generals are feeding you with, so that they make you accept their huge spending on armaments. They just want to hold to power and the only method to achieve this is to buy weapons from the Americans so that the Turkish Army will serve their interests in the region better. In this way, the Kemalist Generals maintain their privileged treatment intact.

1-PKK
2-Saddam-USA
3-Greece (Should not forget crises of Kardak)
4-Armenia
5-Syria
6-Iran
7- should not forget about Balkains(We have to protect Bosnians and Albanians)

I know they are all excuse, But lets agree they have good excuses.
expense to Army is decreasing. But we dont live middle Europe we live in Middle East and Balkains.

The worst enemy is the USA, this is correct, but it is also the country from which you get all your loans and all your armaments. Isn’t it strange
?

You understand wrong I think, They are worst enemy because They are most powerful.We dont hate USA they dont hate from Turkey(For exp. look serbia.) "Just a interest conflict."
USA is also our big supporter at cyprus issue and EU.

Instead of counting your enemies I think it would be more wise to wonder why you have so many enemies! Are they real or fictitious enemies -so that your Generals will always push for more armaments and more power crabbing? If they are real enemies then why is it so? Does it have to do with your attitude towards your neighbours, or is it a case of everyone else behaving badly to you only?

[Murtaza]

This is the excuse that the Turkish Generals are feeding you with, so that they make you accept their huge spending on armaments. They just want to hold to power and the only method to achieve this is to buy weapons from the Americans so that the Turkish Army will serve their interests in the region better. In this way, the Kemalist Generals maintain their privileged treatment intact.

1-PKK
2-Saddam-USA
3-Greece (Should not forget crises of Kardak)
4-Armenia
5-Syria
6-Iran
7- should not forget about Balkains(We have to protect Bosnians and Albanians)

I know they are all excuse, But lets agree they have good excuses.
expense to Army is decreasing. But we dont live middle Europe we live in Middle East and Balkains.

The worst enemy is the USA, this is correct, but it is also the country from which you get all your loans and all your armaments. Isn’t it strange
?

You understand wrong I think, They are worst enemy because They are most powerful.We dont hate USA they dont hate from Turkey(For exp. look serbia.) "Just a interest conflict."
USA is also our big supporter at cyprus issue and EU.

Instead of counting your enemies I think it would be more wise to wonder why you have so many enemies! Are they real or fictitious enemies -so that your Generals will always push for more armaments and more power crabbing? If they are real enemies then why is it so? Does it have to do with your attitude towards your neighbours, or is it a case of everyone else behaving badly to you only?

all of them are not "now" enemy, potential enemy.

1-PKK killed a lot Turkish and Kurdish citizen.(Yes They are enemy)
2-USA- Should tell they are just have good potential. We wont forget what they did the soldiers in Iraq.
3-Greece- no need to explain.
4-Armenia- no need to explain
5-Syria ( we are good friends now, Because they afraid of USA. Should not forget how they helped PKK and They claim Hatay is their land.)
6-Iran ( we are good friends now, Because they afraid of USA. Should not forget how they helped PKK )
7-Balkain, Remember what serb made Bosnians? (Well they are not our enemy but our interests, and muslims in Balkain.) What I know is, Muslims in balkain both Albanians and Bosniaks depend on Turkey. And we have some Turk minorities in Balkain. If noone try to kill them, maybe Turkey is one of the reason.

As I remember Greece have a great army for her size, and dont idea how big GC Army. But I dont think it is adaptable with her size.

Again I accept we spend much Army, But not that so much.

well why we have that much enemy? Ask it Greece too. I think they have much enemies too. Turkey, Macedonia, Albanians, Dont know if They are good with bulgarians.

[Kifeas]

all of them are not "now" enemy, potential enemy.

1-PKK killed a lot Turkish and Kurdish citizen.(Yes They are enemy)
2-USA- Should tell they are just have good potential. We wont forget what they did the soldiers in Iraq.
3-Greece- no need to explain.
4-Armenia- no need to explain
5-Syria ( we are good friends now, Because they afraid of USA. Should not forget how they helped PKK and They claim Hatay is their land.)
6-Iran ( we are good friends now, Because they afraid of USA. Should not forget how they helped PKK )
7-Balkain, Remember what serb made Bosnians? (Well they are not our enemy but our interests, and muslims in Balkain.) What I know is, Muslims in balkain both Albanians and Bosniaks depend on Turkey. And we have some Turk minorities in Balkain. If noone try to kill them, maybe Turkey is one of the reason.

As I remember Greece have a great army for her size, and dont idea how big GC Army. But I dont think it is adaptable with her size.

Again I accept we spend much Army, But not that so much.

well why we have that much enemy? Ask it Greece too. I think they have much enemies too. Turkey, Macedonia, Albanians, Dont know if They are good with bulgarians.

If you had treated the Kurds in a better way then perhaps PKK would not have a reason or ground to exist and also such a move would have eliminated so many enemies from your list, just because of that.

As for Greece, it is your country that disputes so many Greek islands in the Aegean and you occupy Cyprus for 31 years.

Greece doesn't have any enemies north of her boarders. Perhaps there is one on the east. (?)

Enemies are first created in our minds and then they emerge in real life, only because they first emerged in our heads.
Therefore, for you to have so many enemies, there must be something wrong with your way of thinking.

[Murtaza]

If you had treated the Kurds in a better way then perhaps PKK would not have a reason or ground to exist and also such a move would have eliminated so many enemies from your list, just because of that.

Agreed. We have some mistakes. But that does not justify Greeks and syrians help to terrorists. (Still thinking Greek is not our enemy?)

As for Greece, it is your country that disputes so many Greek islands in the Aegean and you occupy Cyprus for 31 years.

There is not any disputed Greek islands in the Aegean, just with the island which cant be know who own it. So you just say these island is Greece island. Maybe we can accuse you with same words. "it is your country that disputes so many Turkeyislands in the Aegean " )

Dont you think Greece have to blame sometimes too? (For arming Islands?)

Greece doesn't have any enemies north of her boarders. Perhaps there is one on the east. (?)

Yeah ask it too macedonians and Albanians.

Enemies are first created in our minds and then they emerge in real life, only because they first emerged in our heads.
Therefore, for you to have so many enemies, there must be something wrong with your way of thinking.

Yes in My mind greece tried to take Anatolia and some people like achilleus still want to take anatolia.

And yes in my mind, people killed at the eastern part of Turkey.

In my mind Aptullah Ocalan was helped by Greeks. (cant we call Greece a terrorist state like Iraq and Syrian?) Or for becaming terrorist state, you should just support terrorist against the west world? Human life in Eastern Country is nothing important.

In my mind Aptullah Ocalan was helped by Syrians

In my mind serbs genocide Bosnians.

In my mind Armenia occupyed %20 0f Azerbaijan.

I am a schizophrenic man.

Maybe our meaning with Enemy is different. I am saying politically.
I dont hate Greeks Armenians or Syrians. But politically we are adversary. And In Middle east and Balkain noone refrain from using force.
(that is the main problem)And please dont tell me Greeks are different.


By the way, You should ask yourself why Turkey come to Cyprus?
We lost more than we gain. We economically lost, politically lost, and not sure military gain.So why we attack the Cyprus, And why we are still there?

Maybe you should find the answer of this question. So you can cope with Turkey.

Or you can ask TC(more easy way) Why they want Turkey at their island?
Without their wish, No army can stay in cyprus.

[achilles]

Mr Achilles

I am surprised at you

Yep, it happens to me also from times to times

OK

I was drawing an analogy between GC's and TC's and naughty fighting children.

Eventually the teacher will break up the fight and somebody will get the blame.

Now you are labelling an illegal and brutal invasion as 'humanitarian intervention'. The GC bullying simply provided you with the pretext to gather up your troops and vulgarly invade the island. 'Saving Cyprus' is pretty much in analogy to what today your best friend and worst enemy, Uncle Sam is doing in Iraq: liberating and democratizing it

I am also of the opinion that since "The Referendum" world opinion is now turning against the GC's and it may be possible that you will be punished in any future external agreement that we are subjected to. You might get detention or a smack.

I wont jump into speculations about the future. All i know is that the GC part of Cyprus is an EU member and quite prosperous, while the TC part of the island is a poor, military warmhole. The punishment for Northern Cyprus has been taking place ever since 1974, and still going.

Ultimately it will not be GC's or TC's who make the agreement but the "Super power"

The SP is already involved big-time in the Cypriot affairs. After all, they had already made some 'indirect' agreements during the past. Kissinger did not prevent Mother Turkey from blatantly invading CYprus and we both know that Kissinger was not exactly Mother Teresa.

[achilles]

Yes in My mind greece tried to take Anatolia and some people like achilleus still want to take anatolia.

This is getting really tiresome. Would you mind showing us the part of my posts upon which you base this profound claim,i.e. that i want to take Anatolia back?

I am a schizophrenic man.

You certainly have to proove the opposite

And please dont tell me Greeks are different.

We are, and damn proud of it. There are very few instances in history where Greece relied in the use of force in an offensive way.

By the way, You should ask yourself why Turkey come to Cyprus?
We lost more than we gain. We economically lost, politically lost, and not sure military gain.So why we attack the Cyprus, And why we are still there?

Of course you didnt know what would happen before the invasion. The cost benefit analysis before 1974 was clearly inclined towards the 'benefit' part. Please dont tell us that you invaded as part of your humanitarian policies

Or you can ask TC(more easy way) Why they want Turkey at their island?
Without their wish, No army can stay in cyprus.

Right. As an independent and sovereign 'state' North Cyprus is, can well decide on its own.
My friend, take no offense from my posts, but you definitely have a warped view of reality.

[Murtaza]

Yes in My mind greece tried to take Anatolia and some people like achilleus still want to take anatolia.

This is getting really tiresome. Would you mind showing us the part of my posts upon which you base this profound claim,i.e. that i want to take Anatolia back?

I am a schizophrenic man.

You certainly have to proove the opposite

And please dont tell me Greeks are different.

We are, and damn proud of it. There are very few instances in history where Greece relied in the use of force in an offensive way.

By the way, You should ask yourself why Turkey come to Cyprus?
We lost more than we gain. We economically lost, politically lost, and not sure military gain.So why we attack the Cyprus, And why we are still there?

Of course you didnt know what would happen before the invasion. The cost benefit analysis before 1974 was clearly inclined towards the 'benefit' part. Please dont tell us that you invaded as part of your humanitarian policies

Or you can ask TC(more easy way) Why they want Turkey at their island?
Without their wish, No army can stay in cyprus.

Right. As an independent and sovereign 'state' North Cyprus is, can well decide on its own.
My friend, take no offense from my posts, but you definitely have a warped view of reality.

Dont waste my time with you. Sorry but You said full of shit for Turks. So Dont care what you think, and I think you are a patriot.(Just dont want to insult you). And Patriots like you destroyed the land. Dont accuse the Turkey. We didnt force you for killing Turks. And they can decide with their own. They have their parlament. And I think Denktas always decide acording to his mind. When Turkey is forcing Denktas for A-Plan, he refused it. So it looks like we cant force Denktas, So how do you think we can force Talat.

Have a nice day, Wont waste my time with you anymore.
Clean the full of shits if you can. Or clean your mind from full of shit, Just your preference.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Achilles

I am surprised at you

Yep, it happens to me also from times to times

OK

I was drawing an analogy between GC's and TC's and naughty fighting children.

Eventually the teacher will break up the fight and somebody will get the blame.

Now you are labelling an illegal and brutal invasion as 'humanitarian intervention'. The GC bullying simply provided you with the pretext to gather up your troops and vulgarly invade the island. 'Saving Cyprus' is pretty much in analogy to what today your best friend and worst enemy, Uncle Sam is doing in Iraq: liberating and democratizing it

I am also of the opinion that since "The Referendum" world opinion is now turning against the GC's and it may be possible that you will be punished in any future external agreement that we are subjected to. You might get detention or a smack.

I wont jump into speculations about the future. All i know is that the GC part of Cyprus is an EU member and quite prosperous, while the TC part of the island is a poor, military warmhole. The punishment for Northern Cyprus has been taking place ever since 1974, and still going.

Ultimately it will not be GC's or TC's who make the agreement but the "Super power"

The SP is already involved big-time in the Cypriot affairs. After all, they had already made some 'indirect' agreements during the past. Kissinger did not prevent Mother Turkey from blatantly invading CYprus and we both know that Kissinger was not exactly Mother Teresa.

Hello Mr Achilles

Sometimes surprises are interesting

Question?

Was the invasion of Cyprus by the Greek National Army any less brutal or violent?

When Archbishop Makarios addressed the UN and said that a foreign army had invaded his country he did not mean Turkey