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[Kifeas]

Gentlemen

Thank you for an interesting evening

Good Night

Good Night Sir!

[Murtaza]

You want to speak about the spending of armaments, then look at the USA. The reason is trade pure ans simple evertying else is an excuse!

The USA happens to have a per capita income 10 times higher than Turkey and therefore she can afford the excess spending on armaments.
On the other hand, Turkey spends an almost equivalent amount per head on armaments but at the same time, half of her population lives well under the level of poverty and remain illiterate, because there are not enough schools. You have more tanks than schools in the entire of Turkey.

Not that much:) And well at least we agree one point. We spend too much to army.And I think Greece do it. Most probably Iran, Albania, Serbs spend much too. Well It is something related with your position in world.
We have not much good neighbor. west to east. bad to worst.(This worst one is USA)

[Kifeas]

Not that much:) And well at least we agree one point. We spend too much to army.And I think Greece do it. Most probably Iran, Albania, Serbs spend much too. Well It is something related with your position in world.
We have not much good neighbor. west to east. bad to worst.(This worst one is USA)

This is the excuse that the Turkish Generals are feeding you with, so that they make you accept their huge spending on armaments. They just want to hold to power and the only method to achieve this is to buy weapons from the Americans so that the Turkish Army will serve their interests in the region better. In this way, the Kemalist Generals maintain their privileged treatment intact.
The worst enemy is the USA, this is correct, but it is also the country from which you get all your loans and all your armaments. Isn’t it strange?

[achilles]

Mr Achilles

The GC's bullied the TC's from 58 to 74

Our bigger brother then bullied the GC's in 74.

Then you started to cry and then your big brother then started bullying us through UN.

Then UN said "Enough Bullying" nad you PRETENDED to stop.

We are sorry you said and we will help our brothers throw off the yoke of Turkish Opression and we will help Economically and in every other way.

But you have continued to do so.

So do not be too surprised when the Really Big Boys ( and I don't mean the Norf Lundeners)
get a bit miffed with you and clout you round the earhole

It would be best if you clarified this post.

[gabaston]

If you look at what has happened in East Europe and Middle East in the last fifty years, and see that there have been wars to Turkey's East, West, and South, plus revolutions across the black sea, you may see the logic in maintaining a capable military force. Even today there is war in going on right next door, in Iraq, who knows where next?

[gabaston]

PS

Congratulations to Greece on her Euro Song success

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Kifeas

Thank you for pointing out this essential fact

I'm truly sorry that you couldn't get the gist of my response to Mr Achilles.

Is it the whole response you couldn't quite make out or are there special bits that you would like me to clarify.

Okay my friend; since it was addressed to Achilles, then it is not important for me to understand it.

My apologies for the nuisance!

Good Morning Mr Kifeas

I thank you for your kind comments

Mr Achilles is a little difficult on occassion

I promise you that all my future responses to your posts will be in English

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr Achilles

The GC's bullied the TC's from 58 to 74

Our bigger brother then bullied the GC's in 74.

Then you started to cry and then your big brother then started bullying us through UN.

Then UN said "Enough Bullying" nad you PRETENDED to stop.

We are sorry you said and we will help our brothers throw off the yoke of Turkish Opression and we will help Economically and in every other way.

But you have continued to do so.

So do not be too surprised when the Really Big Boys ( and I don't mean the Norf Lundeners)
get a bit miffed with you and clout you round the earhole

It would be best if you clarified this post.

Mr Achilles

I am surprised at you

OK

I was drawing an analogy between GC's and TC's and naughty fighting children.

Eventually the teacher will break up the fight and somebody will get the blame.

However much WE squabble someone else will sort out our fight.

Remember Primary School?

I am also of the opinion that since "The Referendum" world opinion is now turning against the GC's and it may be possible that you will be punished in any future external agreement that we are subjected to. You might get detention or a smack.

Ultimately it will not be GC's or TC's who make the agreement but the "Super power"

[erolz]

They couldn't do so for 30 years because Turkey and the occupation regime had sealed the occupation "boarder" and they didn't allow even a dog to cross either direction.

Kind of a bit frivolous perhaps but actually the opposite is the case (re movement of dogs accross the border).

Prior to the opening of the border dogs where allowed to cross, as were some UK citizens (primarily but not exclusively those that where in north cyprus prior to 74). Many such expats would on occasion seek medical treatment (not free) for their pets in the south if it was not available in the north.
With the implementation of the 'green line' regulations following EU entry of the south this is no longer allowed (though some people do still 'smuggle' their pets accross the border to seek medical treatment for them). Futher prior to the Green Line regulations the north was an accepted member of the 'pets passport' scheme, which would allow animals (pets) that had met the necessary provisions of the scheme to fly from the north to countries like the UK without having to undergo quarantine when arriving in the UK. Since the green line regulations have come into force this is no longer possible. There is currently no legal way to get pets out of North Cyprus (to the south at all or elsewhere without quarrantien on arrival).

So actually dogs have less ability to cross the north south border in cyprus and travel freely from the north to other countries since the green line regulations than they did before them.

[Murtaza]

This is the excuse that the Turkish Generals are feeding you with, so that they make you accept their huge spending on armaments. They just want to hold to power and the only method to achieve this is to buy weapons from the Americans so that the Turkish Army will serve their interests in the region better. In this way, the Kemalist Generals maintain their privileged treatment intact.

1-PKK
2-Saddam-USA
3-Greece (Should not forget crises of Kardak)
4-Armenia
5-Syria
6-Iran
7- should not forget about Balkains(We have to protect Bosnians and Albanians)

I know they are all excuse, But lets agree they have good excuses.
expense to Army is decreasing. But we dont live middle Europe we live in Middle East and Balkains.

The worst enemy is the USA, this is correct, but it is also the country from which you get all your loans and all your armaments. Isn’t it strange
?

You understand wrong I think, They are worst enemy because They are most powerful.We dont hate USA they dont hate from Turkey(For exp. look serbia.) "Just a interest conflict."
USA is also our big supporter at cyprus issue and EU.