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[achilles]

Today's slavic people of Macedonians live in the territories of old Macedonian empire. Alexander the Great was Macedonian-Greek. But later the people living in that territory either became Slavised or the Slavic people settled down. Now in the Territory that is called Macedonia was living the Slavic people who call themselves Macedonian because of the territory they live in. It's like the Egyptians. Although their culture, language and religion have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians, nobody bars them the use of the terms "Egypt" and "Egyptian". The Hellenic Republic must compromise with Macedonians on these terms, that there is a Macedonian Republic with Macedonians speaking Macedonian. But these people are not the descendants of the Greek Macedonians who spread Hellenism to the Middle East etc. You cannot expect a people to change their own nationality and call themselves something else. This is same by forcing Greeks to call themselves something else, e.g. Athenians. I hope you guys got my point.

You described the situation quite accurately, although i do not agree with you point that those people are actually Macedonians. They are Slavs who happened to live in the lands of the ancient Macedonia. Other than that, there is absolutely no attribute to their way of life, religion, culture and tradition that can link them with ancient Macedonia. If they are Macedonians then what are the real Macedonians who live in Greece, like myself for example? We are one group of people and they are another. It would be best if they distinguished themselves from us, simply because we want our tradition to be...well, ours! Names, symbols and everything that comes with it are very important elements of preserving the local tradition of Macedonia.
Apart from 'emotional' reasons, the story has important geopolitical implications. The Skopjans had, and most likely still have, territorial ambitions towards Northern Greece, which given the chance, they would love to materialize. The name is just a start.
Yet this is a rather far fetched scenario because their economic life depends largely on Greece. In 1994, if i am not mistaken, they put the Sun of Vergina, an ancient Macedonian, symbol on their flag, claiming that everything that this symbol stands for is their. The then Greek government embargoed them and they changed their minds within weeks.
They have a big mouth simply because they are backed by Uncle Sam, Turkey and other minor players in the region.

[Murtaza]

Your mother land? When anatolia become your mother land

Just a pop up note from me: Anatolia is a Greek word and it means Eastern area.

Anadolu is a Turkish word comes from Ana-Dolu, Full of mother.

or you heard about "karogozi" which literally means "black eye" in turkish

karagozi re, not karogozi. Don't you know Turkish?
Just a question though for the Turkish speakers in this forum: When we tell someone "you are a karagozi" in Greek we mean you are a clown.Do you use this world the same way, or you just use it only with it's literal meaning of black-eye?

We wont say someone karagöz , because He is a character in a Play.
A comic play. Just cant explain it you. Maybe a Turk with better english can do it.

Did you know that a Turk claims to
have developed the use of zero in number systems (or do
you have any idea how fundamental such a development is
to all modern day mathematics and derived sciences

What do you mean by "zero" Erol? Do you mean the concept of zero, or do you mean the decadic numbering system i.e 10,100, 1000 etc.If it is the first the concept of zero was already know from the ancient Greeks in fact I can show you hundreds of examples. If you mean the decadic numbering system, no it was not the Turks who invented it, but the Arabs.In fact the Arabs are the inventors of Algebra in mathematics(even the word algebra is arabic).
Anyway waiting your explanation, as I am not sure what you mean.

He said he write it wrongly. But it looks like you wont ever forgive mistake, because you just dont made mistake .And repead continuesly you made mistake, you made mistake, you made mistake. How childish.


I would like to have some more information about the machine the Turks invented for flying.
If you just looked link I gave you can learn some about the Turks who fly.
He didnt invent a machine he just put some wing. But I dont think you can put some wing and fly?

Woops sorry we are talking for the Ottoman era here, not from the day the Turkish state was founded. I think it's a mistake to call the Ottomans "Turks".They started as Turks, then the Turks became just a minority of peasants inside the Ottomans, then modern Turkish state was just what was left of the Ottoman empire....

Yeh They are not Turk, They come from the other planets. Not from Middle Asia. And they are not turk in Greece too. They are muslim.
In cyprus no Turk they are Cypriot. Even In world we have not Turk, We just have Full of shits(Teached by achilleous)

[Murtaza]

How is that obvious??? On the contrary there is no evidence that it was so, and there is a lot of evidence that they took whatever civilisation the got from Byzantium backwards.!"

Look the blue mosque, It made just show Turk can do better architecture than Greek. Well They made it better.

And I simply told you to "think" why the Greeks and the GCs feel like that. Since you could not provide the answers to yourself, others and me provided some answers.Why should you be offended?

Hmm why Greek in Anatolia killed? Give me a reason? Because we are barbarian? Or because Greeks blood is fine? Or because people are trying to take their revenge?

See how many things they are hiding from you? The reality is that when Ataturk took over, the first thing he did-as they teach you in your history books- was to secure the country from it's enemies or the "invadors" if you prefer this term. So you celebrate this 19th of May. What they don't tell you is what exactly did he do, who were those enemies and those "invadors"? The truth is that the first ones he eradicated allright were the Pontian Greeks, and their total number of dead was about 350,000. You may think that I am passionate about my nation and I hate the Turks, the truth is I don't have the slightest feeling about this matter...."

Well you are wrongly understand What 19th May. It is the time Ataturk landed Samsum. Nothing is protected, no war beginned. It is the just a simple time Ataturk landed. It can be 20 May too, If his ship go slower.
So you think Ataturk landed morning than killed all greeks until the night?
Just I said before It is not the Ataturk who killed Greeks, Topal Osman, killed greeks with a principle, If greeks destroy a turk village I will destroy two Turk village. He was a criminal before the war, and he was hanged by Ataturk. Question should be this.

Why standart people want to help from a criminal?

[Kifeas]

Yeh They are not Turk, They come from the other planets. Not from Middle Asia. And they are not turk in Greece too. They are muslim.
In cyprus no Turk they are Cypriot. Even In world we have not Turk, We just have Full of shits(Teached by achilleous)

America is a country and its citizens are called Americans.
Spain is a country and its citizens are called Spanish.
Turkey is a country and its citizens are called Turks.

Cyprus is a country and its citizens are called Cypriots!

Whoever is not a Cypriot or doesn't want to be a Cypriot then should go and live in Greekcypriotland or should go and live Turkishcypriotland!
If they can find them on the map!

Cyprus belongs only to the Cypriots!

[Murtaza]

Yeh They are not Turk, They come from the other planets. Not from Middle Asia. And they are not turk in Greece too. They are muslim.
In cyprus no Turk they are Cypriot. Even In world we have not Turk, We just have Full of shits(Teached by achilleous)

America is a country and its citizens are called Americans.
Spain is a country and its citizens are called Spanish.
Turkey is a country and its citizens are called Turks.

Cyprus is a country and its citizens are called Cypriots!

Whoever is not a Cypriot or doesn't want to be a Cypriot then should go and live in Greekcypriotland or should go and live Turkishcypriotland!
If they can find them on the map!

Cyprus belongs only to the Cypriots!

Well This is tried by Ottomans.In fact young Turks. They tried to

Ottoman is a country and its citizens are called Ottoman.
Good luck I hope you can do it! I realy hope.
Turkey have no gain for constantly conflict and war. If all of cyprus accept this, and saw no difference between greeks and turks than maybe it work.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

[quote="achilles"][quote="
Yet this is a rather far fetched scenario because their economic life depends largely on Greece. In 1994, if i am not mistaken, they put the Sun of Vergina, an ancient Macedonian, symbol on their flag, claiming that everything that this symbol stands for is their. The then Greek government embargoed them and they changed their minds within weeks.
quote]

Astounding that Greece might use Economic enmargoes on a smaller country in order to get their way. Bully in the playground or what?

[suetoniuspaulinus]

[quote=" within weeks.
They have a big mouth simply because they are backed by Uncle Sam, Turkey and other minor players in the region.

Wow they actually had the audacity to have some minor (?) players support them?

Mr Achilles I do believe you've lost it.

[Kifeas]

Well This is tried by Ottomans.In fact young Turks. They tried to

Ottoman is a country and its citizens are called Ottoman.
Good luck I hope you can do it! I realy hope.
Turkey have no gain for constantly conflict and war. If all of cyprus accept this, and saw no difference between greeks and turks than maybe it work.

Thanks for the wishes but unfortunatelly this is not what Turkey wants.

[suetoniuspaulinus]

Mr MicAtCyp

The more I read your posts the more I believe you are an honourable man.

I do not know if all you say is fact, our version is often contradictory and so it is possible that we may never agree on a number of points BUT Your posts are respectful and you do not put anybody down. I feel surev that some of your compatriots could learn a lot from you. In fact a lot of us could.

[Kifeas]

Astounding that Greece might use Economic enmargoes on a smaller country in order to get their way. Bully in the playground or what?

In the same way that Turkey occupies 37% of Cyprus and keeps away from their properties 200,000 people for 31 years now, in order to impose its will on Greek Cypriots.