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[magikthrill]

And I dont think they use a slavish langauge. Am I wrong?

quite wrong.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encycl ... nguage.htm

did you think it was similar to Greek and Latin? well only as similar as bulgarian and albanian are to these two languages. maybe alexander the great spoke albanian. hmmm. that would make sense.

[Murtaza]

And I dont think they use a slavish langauge. Am I wrong?

quite wrong.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encycl ... nguage.htm

did you think it was similar to Greek and Latin? well only as similar as bulgarian and albanian are to these two languages. maybe alexander the great spoke albanian. hmmm. that would make sense.

LOL love balkain issues. It goes realy intresting places. And Yes it looks like I am wrong thanks:) hmm So bulgarians can be claim that Alexander The Great can be bulgarian? Oh thanks god we came later. We have no claim at Alexander:P

[magikthrill]

LOL love balkain issues. It goes realy intresting places. And Yes it looks like I am wrong thanks:) hmm So bulgarians can be claim that Alexander The Great can be bulgarian? Oh thanks god we came later. We have no claim at Alexander:P

lol

any country who lies on the former empire of alexander the great apparently has a claim to macedonia. the thing with the FYROMites is that the original macedonian empire included all of current greek macedonia, albania, FYROM, Serbia and Bulgaria. So yes Bulgaria has just as much a claim to the Macedonia name as FYROM.

[MicAtCyp]

Your mother land? When anatolia become your mother land

Just a pop up note from me: Anatolia is a Greek word and it means Eastern area.

or you heard about "karogozi" which literally means "black eye" in turkish

karagozi re, not karogozi. Don't you know Turkish?
Just a question though for the Turkish speakers in this forum: When we tell someone "you are a karagozi" in Greek we mean you are a clown.Do you use this world the same way, or you just use it only with it's literal meaning of black-eye?

Did you know that a Turk claims to
have developed the use of zero in number systems (or do
you have any idea how fundamental such a development is
to all modern day mathematics and derived sciences

What do you mean by "zero" Erol? Do you mean the concept of zero, or do you mean the decadic numbering system i.e 10,100, 1000 etc.If it is the first the concept of zero was already know from the ancient Greeks in fact I can show you hundreds of examples. If you mean the decadic numbering system, no it was not the Turks who invented it, but the Arabs.In fact the Arabs are the inventors of Algebra in mathematics(even the word algebra is arabic).
Anyway waiting your explanation, as I am not sure what you mean.

I would like to have some more information about the machine the Turks invented for flying.
Woops sorry we are talking for the Ottoman era here, not from the day the Turkish state was founded. I think it's a mistake to call the Ottomans "Turks".They started as Turks, then the Turks became just a minority of peasants inside the Ottomans, then modern Turkish state was just what was left of the Ottoman empire....

[MicAtCyp]

It is obviously that Ottomans had a higher standard of Civilisation than Byzantium because of the time period.

How is that obvious??? On the contrary there is no evidence that it was so, and there is a lot of evidence that they took whatever civilisation the got from Byzantium backwards.

If your father is Ottoman but your mother is Greek, this does not make you Ottoman or Greek but both. So you are saying that my ancestors are not Ottomans because they didnt bring wifes. I didn't get the logic. I am also not offended what TMT and Turkey did to Greek Cypriots and I also feel sorry for them. But isn't it time to stop this systematic blame of each other and look for the future? I mean what will you get by disgracing Ottoman empire?

Look, here we just discuss.The issues are generally hot and almost everything is either against you or against us. If you look back you will see that you sarcastically called yourself mongolian,barbaric Ottoman and many other words I don't remember by heart. And I simply told you to "think" why the Greeks and the GCs feel like that. Since you could not provide the answers to yourself, others and me provided some answers.Why should you be offended? Others said the empire of Alexander the Great was also built on blood, I was not offended AT ALL, just got curious and I wanted some information substantiating this.Nobody provided any, so I can only complain that I got out of it learning nothing. One of the reasons I participate is to learn things I don't know...

Why does only Greeks claim that there was a Pontian genocide? We celebrate 19 May because this was the start of the national resistance against the invadors.

See how many things they are hiding from you? The reality is that when Ataturk took over, the first thing he did-as they teach you in your history books- was to secure the country from it's enemies or the "invadors" if you prefer this term. So you celebrate this 19th of May. What they don't tell you is what exactly did he do, who were those enemies and those "invadors"? The truth is that the first ones he eradicated allright were the Pontian Greeks, and their total number of dead was about 350,000. You may think that I am passionate about my nation and I hate the Turks, the truth is I don't have the slightest feeling about this matter....

Nai katalavenw. Ok I admit, that was something I didnt intend to say. You well know when people are pissed off they say things they don't want to. You did it many times. Remember you called me Garbage?

It seems you did not notice my quarrels against others, even against GCs.
Some people in here participate to create friendships.Some others for the fun.Some to disgrace others. I am in the "fighting team" like Piratis, Kifeas, Mikkie and others therefore it is difficult for me to look friendly...

They do teach you nice and glorious things too... They never teach you what Greeks did to Turks during the invasion of Turkey! Come on Mic, admit that your last argument is biased.

Well, if you check my reply to Erol, you will see that I had no difficulty admitting that already. You are right they do not teach us anything neither for the 60s nor for 1974 that has to do with your side. In fact they hide almost everything from us. But if you think I am participating here without having learned by myself you are mistaken.I did search and learn myself and I did compare what happened to your people in 1974 with what happened to ours. And I am sorry to tell you that what you suffered in 1974 was nothing compared to what the GCs suffered. Similarly I learned of most of the sufferings of the TCs in the 60s through various sources, and if I compare the 2 sufferings I really cannot tell who expressed more barbarosity, the GCs with the Greeks, or the TCs with the Turks? "Caresiz!"

[garbitsch]

Today's slavic people of Macedonians live in the territories of old Macedonian empire. Alexander the Great was Macedonian-Greek. But later the people living in that territory either became Slavised or the Slavic people settled down. Now in the Territory that is called Macedonia was living the Slavic people who call themselves Macedonian because of the territory they live in. It's like the Egyptians. Although their culture, language and religion have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians, nobody bars them the use of the terms "Egypt" and "Egyptian". The Hellenic Republic must compromise with Macedonians on these terms, that there is a Macedonian Republic with Macedonians speaking Macedonian. But these people are not the descendants of the Greek Macedonians who spread Hellenism to the Middle East etc. You cannot expect a people to change their own nationality and call themselves something else. This is same by forcing Greeks to call themselves something else, e.g. Athenians. I hope you guys got my point.

[Chrisswirl]

Well we have to compromise. How about Northern Macedonia?

[garbitsch]

Hehe I don't mind whatever you compromise It's up to you and to Macedonians..

[garbitsch]

See how many things they are hiding from you? The reality is that when Ataturk took over, the first thing he did-as they teach you in your history books- was to secure the country from it's enemies or the "invadors" if you prefer this term. So you celebrate this 19th of May. What they don't tell you is what exactly did he do, who were those enemies and those "invadors"? The truth is that the first ones he eradicated allright were the Pontian Greeks, and their total number of dead was about 350,000. You may think that I am passionate about my nation and I hate the Turks, the truth is I don't have the slightest feeling about this matter.

Can you give me any sources about Pontian and Hellenic genocides apart from the Greek&Armenian ones? Don't you think these were overexaggerated by the winning powers of WWI to justify the annexation of Aegean and Blacksea Regions of Turkey with Greece? Don't tell me in 1920s Britain, USA, and France did not manipulate the truth in the regions they occupied?
One last question: Does Hellenic republic recongise these genocides?

[achilles]

Can you give me any sources about Pontian and Hellenic genocides apart from the Greek&Armenian ones? Don't you think these were overexaggerated by the winning powers of WWI to justify the annexation of Aegean and Blacksea Regions of Turkey with Greece? Don't tell me in 1920s Britain, USA, and France did not manipulate the truth in the regions they occupied?

Pick your source here

I have more if you like, both from independentm or not, sources. They all reach the same conclusions. The masterplan of the Young Turks to eradicate the Christian populations off their territory is hardly disputable nowadays. Do you own independent study and you ll see.