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[turkcyp]

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[magikthrill]

i think erol had his backed covered by saying "a Turk claims"

of course this at the same time doesn't say much since I can claim that my great uncle came up with the name "wendy" and it wasnt the peter pan playwright who did so

[erolz]

i think erol had his backed covered by saying "a Turk claims"

of course this at the same time doesn't say much since I can claim that my great uncle came up with the name "wendy" and it wasnt the peter pan playwright who did so

My point is I know very little of Turkish history - I know and admit this and realise a lerge part of this is the bias and perspective I received growing up in a greek/roman tradition of a modern western nation. Achilles apparently has a similar lack of knowledge for similar reasons no doubt but he uses this as 'proof' that Turkish culture has contributed nothing to the rest of humanity. See the difference?

[achilles]

My point is I know very little of Turkish history - I know and admit this and realise a lerge part of this is the bias and perspective I received growing up in a greek/roman tradition of a modern western nation. Achilles apparently has a similar lack of knowledge for similar reasons no doubt but he uses this as 'proof' that Turkish culture has contributed nothing to the rest of humanity. See the difference?

Listen i appreciate your posts, but dont make me worry about your reading comprehensiong skills, or your unfortunate attempts to 'paint' my posts in a way that suits your agenda.
First, you attempted to add a racist connotation to what i say, yet that was far from truth.
Second, you claim that according to me, NOTHING good came out of the Ottoman heritage...go back to my posts and you will see-although i am sure you know -that i was careful enough to say that 'all cultures and civilization gave SOMETHING to the rest of us, yet its the differential of the impact or magnitude of that contribution that, indeed, corroborates what i am saying, even though i am anything but a specialist on the subject.

And it seems that the bubble about 'Ottomans introducing number zero' was burst. Thanks to Turkcyp for bringin up the TUrkish attempts to label all Muslim acheivements as theirs.

Again, i am not saying that NOTHING good came out of the specific culture. Its just that i am not saying 'what would the world have done without the Ottomans?', either.

Plus, i am replying in a straightforwards manner and i am not trying to paint what you say according to my needs. See the difference now?

I ll get back to you main post later...

[Murtaza]

My point is I know very little of Turkish history - I know and admit this and realise a lerge part of this is the bias and perspective I received growing up in a greek/roman tradition of a modern western nation. Achilles apparently has a similar lack of knowledge for similar reasons no doubt but he uses this as 'proof' that Turkish culture has contributed nothing to the rest of humanity. See the difference?

Listen i appreciate your posts, but dont make me worry about your reading comprehensiong skills, or your unfortunate attempts to 'paint' my posts in a way that suits your agenda.
First, you attempted to add a racist connotation to what i say, yet that was far from truth.
Second, you claim that according to me, NOTHING good came out of the Ottoman heritage...go back to my posts and you will see-although i am sure you know -that i was careful enough to say that 'all cultures and civilization gave SOMETHING to the rest of us, yet its the differential of the impact or magnitude of that contribution that, indeed, corroborates what i am saying, even though i am anything but a specialist on the subject.

And it seems that the bubble about 'Ottomans introducing number zero' was burst. Thanks to Turkcyp for bringin up the TUrkish attempts to label all Muslim acheivements as theirs.

Again, i am not saying that NOTHING good came out of the specific culture. Its just that i am not saying 'what would the world have done without the Ottomans?', either.

Plus, i am replying in a straightforwards manner and i am not trying to paint what you say according to my needs. See the difference now?

I ll get back to you main post later...

Why you see just you want to see?
It looks like slavery come from helenic culture too.
Or Gayism, or destroying all city(For First western world genocide look to Troy).
Sacrificing his daugters?
What achiless did to Hercul is not a good way to show civilization you have.
You just see all good things come from Greeks and All bad thing come from Turkey.

And because eastern art is different than western art you cant claim there is not a art.

Yes ottomans didnt do much with painting,statue. But they have their cultural arts that you ever have anyidea.

So your ignorance is not a proof for our barbaric past.

But it just proof your hypocrisy and inexperience.

You didnt learn much from your ancestors.

You dont even know "you know nothing"

[erolz]

First, you attempted to add a racist connotation to what i say, yet that was far from truth.

I am attempting to add nothing. Your whole 'thesis' is about the superiority of Greek culture vs Turkish culture. The racist elemement of this thesis is inherent.

Second, you claim that according to me, NOTHING good came out of the Ottoman heritage...go back to my posts and you will see-although i am sure you know -that i was careful enough to say that 'all cultures and civilization gave SOMETHING to the rest of us, yet its the differential of the impact or magnitude of that contribution that, indeed, corroborates what i am saying, even though i am anything but a specialist on the subject.

you also said

Can anyone name ONE great think that humanity owes to the Ottoman/Turkish culture/'civilization'? Apart from '1000+1 methods to eradicate homo sapiens', that is...

Of course any interpretation by me that this can be represented as you saying nothing good came out of ottoman heritage or of your 'argument' having a racist element is just active attempts on my part to distort what you have said.

Plus, i am replying in a straightforwards manner and i am not trying to paint what you say according to my needs. See the difference now?

Saying that I have manipulated and distorted you views to highlight that there is a racist element in your thesis and your proof for your thesis is replying in a straighforward manner?

I ll get back to you main post later...

That would be welcome. I would still like to know what you think the point or value is in this whole thesis (of the superiority of Greek culture and inferiority of Turkish culture) for example.

[achilles]

Why you see just you want to see?
It looks like slavery come from helenic culture too.
Or Gayism, or destroying all city(For First western world genocide look to Troy).
Sacrificing his daugters?
What achiless did to Hercul is not a good way to show civilization you have.
You just see all good things come from Greeks and All bad thing come from Turkey.

And because eastern art is different than western art you cant claim there is not a art.

Yes ottomans didnt do much with painting,statue. But they have their cultural arts that you ever have anyidea.

So your ignorance is not a proof for our barbaric past.

But it just proof your hypocrisy and inexperience.

You didnt learn much from your ancestors.

You dont even know "you know nothing"

The first question should be primarily addressed to yourself. Or are you again so certain as you were about the Ottoman introducing 'zero'?

It seems that you have built up a non-sensical bubble here. Let me burst it. Show me where EXACTLY in my previous posts i advocated that the Greeks did not have negative or brutal elements in their culture. I want the PRECISE location of that claim please. Thanks.

Gayism? Homosexuality you mean...are you homophobic and perceive homosexuality as something detrimental? Good, welcome to the middle ages. From my heterosexual point of view, i dont really mind homosexuals and their right to do whatever they like....

And a few corrections because it really seems that you have failed a number of times the 'introduction to western civilization' course, if you have ever taken it.
It is moot whether Troy was non-Greek. There is mounting evidence according to which the Trojans were a Greek tribe, based on their everyday way of living and their language. How come all their names are Greek? But i cannot speak with certainty on that one, not even historians can, as far as i know...

And who the heck is Hercul? Are you referring to Hector? Or maybe confusing Hector with Hercules? And you are preaching me on my ignorance?

And for your information, slavery began with the Egyptian dynasties. I think you need a good revision my friend. And thank you, indeed, for showing to the rest
of us that your true ignorance refutes nothing of what i have said so far.

That was indeed a hilarious post!

[Murtaza]

Why you see just you want to see?
It looks like slavery come from helenic culture too.
Or Gayism, or destroying all city(For First western world genocide look to Troy).
Sacrificing his daugters?
What achiless did to Hercul is not a good way to show civilization you have.
You just see all good things come from Greeks and All bad thing come from Turkey.

And because eastern art is different than western art you cant claim there is not a art.

Yes ottomans didnt do much with painting,statue. But they have their cultural arts that you ever have anyidea.

So your ignorance is not a proof for our barbaric past.

But it just proof your hypocrisy and inexperience.

You didnt learn much from your ancestors.

You dont even know "you know nothing"

The first question should be primarily addressed to yourself. Or are you again so certain as you were about the Ottoman introducing 'zero'?

It seems that you have built up a non-sensical bubble here. Let me burst it. Show me where EXACTLY in my previous posts i advocated that the Greeks did not have negative or brutal elements in their culture. I want the PRECISE location of that claim please. Thanks.

Gayism? Homosexuality you mean...are you homophobic and perceive homosexuality as something detrimental? Good, welcome to the middle ages. From my heterosexual point of view, i dont really mind homosexuals and their right to do whatever they like....

And a few corrections because it really seems that you have failed a number of times the 'introduction to western civilization' course, if you have ever taken it.
It is moot whether Troy was non-Greek. There is mounting evidence according to which the Trojans were a Greek tribe, based on their everyday way of living and their language. How come all their names are Greek? But i cannot speak with certainty on that one, not even historians can, as far as i know...

And who the heck is Hercul? Are you referring to Hector? Or maybe confusing Hector with Hercules? And you are preaching me on my ignorance?

And for your information, slavery began with the Egyptian dynasties. I think you need a good revision my friend. And thank you, indeed, for showing to the rest
of us that your true ignorance refutes nothing of what i have said so far.

That was indeed a hilarious post!

Did you ever look what I wrote before about the what turk made?
Do you have any idea Taj Mahal(For the love of a woman) maded by Turks?

With Your limited knowledge you think Turks are just Ottomans.
Do you know buhara was ruled by Turks?(Buhara is the city most islamic invention know)

Do you know who is Dede Korkut? Do you know what is the tale of Manas ot tale of Ergenokon

Do you know what you learned from Turks? Maybe Humanity.
When you are enjoy your slaveries and improving your civilization, we have not slaves to abuse.

So what if Troy is greek? I dont care if Troy is Greek or not. You just destroyed that city and killed all people in this city.
And yes you are realy begining of western world. We saw it in jerusalem or other places.

Yes Greeks helped much astronomy, mathematic but not idea of humanity.If you want to learn what is the humanity follow the way of sufist. We should not forget where the nationalism camed too. from the western world.

Somethink Alexander Great is macedon not greek. (Just for information All Macedonia think so.)

And sorry for I miswrite the Hector. But you misswrite all Turks culture.You should be more sorry.

sorry you were more brutal than us.I dont ever hear A turkish general sacrificed her daughter. I dont ever have any idea school of humanity in Greeks philosophy.

But in Anatoila, you will see how many people love the Mevlana Celalettin Rumi, Yunus Emre or other sufist philosopher.

[Othellos]

Is it true that the late Turkish President Turgut Ozal made a "historic" claim about Homer and Aristotle being Turks?



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[negotiator]

Makes me laugh you won't reconise TRNC but yet you want to take them to the European court for the retriaval of Land!

Can't have your cake and eat it!!