achilles wrote:
Drawing very strong conclusions on what i know or dont know does not really promote any sort of discussion.
Claims of your ancetors were inferior to my ancestors is your idea of promoting discussion then?
achilles wrote:
You dont know what i know and vice cersa. Your ad hominem approach can only expose your inability to argue based on fruitful grounds.
I know what you do not know based on what you claim to know - ie that your ancestors were superior to my ancestors (and you do not even know who my ancestors are but that does not stop you). You want a fruitful argument against your thesis that your ancestors were superior to my ancestors? How about one based on the argument that my dad is bigger and stronger than your dad and my mom is better looking that your mom?
achilles wrote:
Back to the point.
The point being that Turks/ ottomans and their (cultural) decendants are inferior and Greeks and their (cultural) decendands are superior.
achilles wrote:
Nice article by the Guardian but it didnt really beat me to it. If the examples are countless then i point them out, but remember we need examples of a certain magnitude here. It is certain that all countries, empires, groups of people have generated men and women of the spirit, irrespective of how you define the latter. I know Chinese, Japanese, Indian, Pakistani, Colombian, Mexican people of the spirits and creativity with a significant impact on the world thinking.
The point is that nothing I show you will change your mind because you do not seek or want the truth. You simply wish to reinforce your own notions of superiority and inferiority of the Greek and Turkish peoples. In the face of this no evidence matters and I see no point in wasting my time.
achilles wrote:
Show me the corresponding contributions of the Turkish historical think-tank throughout the years...Show me a Turkish mega-acheivement, a revolutionary trend in thinking, an architectural breakthrough, something that Turkey will be remembered for for generations and generations to come.
Again you can not show anything to someone who refuse to see, you can not tell anything to someone who refuses to listen. I could tell you of the invention of the concept of 'zero' in mathematics, or of the first man flight (100 years or so before the montgolfier brothers in france) or countless other contributions to science, art, morality, philosphy, cusine, biblography but there really is no point in doing so. You will either dismiss or ignore or refuse to believe anything that does not fit your sacred ntion that Greeks (ancient and modern) are superior and Turks (ancient and modern) are inferior - that much is abundantly clear from your posting to date in this thread and others.
achilles wrote:
I am just saying that your ancestors' culture was inferior as compared to all western and far-eastern civilizations.
Yep
achilles wrote: saying this, over and over again. Say it some more if it helps you in your need to believe it is true.
achilles wrote:You probably have to live with the fact that in there is a 'better' and a 'worse' in EVERYTHING, including civilizations and cultures, although it is not the easiest of the tasts to quantify the latter.
Not an easy taks but one you find no trouble in being a match for in your certain assertions that my ancestors culture was inferior conmpared to all western and far eastern cvilisations.
achilles wrote:Tell me something that the Ottoman Empire and modern Turkey will be remebered for 1000 years down the line...
In 1000's years from now you will still be drinking Turkish coffee and still calling it oriental coffee to help support your need to believe in the inferiority of Turkish culture no doubt.
Tell me something that that you know of the hittite, or aztec, or sumarian, or assyrian or american indian or aboriginal autralian cultures and remeber them for even today - forget a 1000 years from now. If you struggle to do this does this proove the superiority of the Greek culture of the inferiority of Turkish culture? Only in your mind.
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