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Postby metecyp » Thu May 19, 2005 12:17 am

Kifeas wrote:Cutting the heads? Only? You would be very lucky if this was the method of your execution by the Ottoman Turks. I do not know about other places but in Cyprus they had some of the most cruel-some methods a human mind can ever imagine in order to execute the Cypriots.

Did you watch Braveheart? Do you remember the scene where Mel Gibson was tortured? I wanted to point out how "civilized" English of the time maintained power against Scottish at the time to give you an idea of how things were back then.
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Postby turkcyp » Thu May 19, 2005 12:35 am

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Postby brother » Thu May 19, 2005 11:05 am

Sounds like a green grocer's on this thread, oranges, apples and pineapples flying every where. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 19, 2005 11:38 am

turkcyp wrote: Here is taking place one of the most stupid discussions in this forum ever. People are complaining about how Ottomans had ruled them and how cruel they were.


Sorry Turkcyp,
I apologise for my stupidity.
I shouldn’t touch this subject at all, knowing how over sensitivity you are with the Ottoman Turks (your ancestors) and their achievements.

I also forgot that we, Greek Cypriots, are not allowed to talk about the past and how we were treated by the Ottoman Turks. This is a privilege and a right that only TCs must have. I.e. to talk about how badly they were treated by the GCs in the sixties.

I nearly forgot about it. We are the bad guys and you are the good guys. Any attempt to challenge this golden rule, even though unintentional, constitutes an act of hubris (sin.)

I do apologise once more.
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Postby brother » Thu May 19, 2005 11:44 am

Kifeas, sarcasm is not becoming of you, everyone is allowed to talk about the past but not if it is going to be used as a tool to encourage hate, and from what i understand turkcyp was trying to put things in perspective and explain that the times were violent and not the ottomans specifically hence his examples of venetians, anglo-saxons, crusades etc.
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Postby Murtaza » Thu May 19, 2005 12:45 pm

Kifeas wrote:
turkcyp wrote: Here is taking place one of the most stupid discussions in this forum ever. People are complaining about how Ottomans had ruled them and how cruel they were.


Sorry Turkcyp,
I apologise for my stupidity.
I shouldn’t touch this subject at all, knowing how over sensitivity you are with the Ottoman Turks (your ancestors) and their achievements.

I also forgot that we, Greek Cypriots, are not allowed to talk about the past and how we were treated by the Ottoman Turks. This is a privilege and a right that only TCs must have. I.e. to talk about how badly they were treated by the GCs in the sixties.

I nearly forgot about it. We are the bad guys and you are the good guys. Any attempt to challenge this golden rule, even though unintentional, constitutes an act of hubris (sin.)

I do apologise once more.


Proof one word.
Well lets make it four.
Proof other than google.
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Postby suetoniuspaulinus » Thu May 19, 2005 12:51 pm

Mr Kifeas

I remind you again.

The ottomoman Turks gave you your right to religious belief back after something like 400 years of Roman Catholic opression
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Postby Kifeas » Thu May 19, 2005 1:41 pm

Murtaza wrote:
Proof one word.
Well lets make it four.
Proof other than google.

Country Studies.

Country Studies is put together by the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress as part of the Country Studies/Area Handbook Series sponsored by the U.S. Department of the Army between 1986 and 1998.

CYPRUS: OTTOMAN RULE
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/7.htm

“Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. …”

“In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. ..”

“The former foreign elite was destroyed--its members killed, carried away as captives, or exiled. The Orthodox Christians, i.e., the Greek Cypriots who survived, had new foreign overlords. …”

“Ottoman rule of Cyprus was at times indifferent, at times oppressive, depending on the temperaments of the sultans and local officials. ……..”

“Reaction to Turkish misrule caused uprisings, but Greek Cypriots were not strong enough to prevail. Occasional Turkish Cypriot uprisings, sometimes with their Christian neighbors, against confiscatory taxes also failed. During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821. …..”

“….. Various Cypriot movements arose after the 1830s, aimed at gaining greater selfgovernment , but, because the imperial treasury took most of the island's wealth and because local officials were often corrupt, reform efforts failed. Cypriots had little recourse to the courts because Christian testimony was rarely accepted.”


“The Ottoman Turks became the enemy in the eyes of the Greek Cypriots, and this enmity served as a focal point for uniting the major ethnic group on the island under the banner of Greek identity. Centuries of neglect by the Turks, the unrelenting poverty of most of the people, and the ever-present tax collectors fueled Greek nationalism. …”

“During the period of Ottoman domination, Cyprus had been a backwater of the empire, but in the nineteenth century it again drew the attention of West European powers. By the 1850s, the decaying Ottoman Empire was known as "the sick man of Europe," and various nations sought to profit at its expense. Cyprus itself could not fight for its own freedom, but the centuries of Frankish and Turkish domination had not destroyed the ties of language, culture, and religion that bound the Greek Cypriots to other Greeks.”
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Postby Murtaza » Thu May 19, 2005 1:48 pm

Kifeas wrote:
Murtaza wrote:
Proof one word.
Well lets make it four.
Proof other than google.

Country Studies.

Country Studies is put together by the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress as part of the Country Studies/Area Handbook Series sponsored by the U.S. Department of the Army between 1986 and 1998.

CYPRUS: OTTOMAN RULE
http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/7.htm

“Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. …”

“In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted. Word of the massacre spread, and a few days later Mustafa took Kyrenia without having to fire a shot. ..”

“The former foreign elite was destroyed--its members killed, carried away as captives, or exiled. The Orthodox Christians, i.e., the Greek Cypriots who survived, had new foreign overlords. …”

“Ottoman rule of Cyprus was at times indifferent, at times oppressive, depending on the temperaments of the sultans and local officials. ……..”

“Reaction to Turkish misrule caused uprisings, but Greek Cypriots were not strong enough to prevail. Occasional Turkish Cypriot uprisings, sometimes with their Christian neighbors, against confiscatory taxes also failed. During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821. …..”

“….. Various Cypriot movements arose after the 1830s, aimed at gaining greater selfgovernment , but, because the imperial treasury took most of the island's wealth and because local officials were often corrupt, reform efforts failed. Cypriots had little recourse to the courts because Christian testimony was rarely accepted.”


“The Ottoman Turks became the enemy in the eyes of the Greek Cypriots, and this enmity served as a focal point for uniting the major ethnic group on the island under the banner of Greek identity. Centuries of neglect by the Turks, the unrelenting poverty of most of the people, and the ever-present tax collectors fueled Greek nationalism. …”

“During the period of Ottoman domination, Cyprus had been a backwater of the empire, but in the nineteenth century it again drew the attention of West European powers. By the 1850s, the decaying Ottoman Empire was known as "the sick man of Europe," and various nations sought to profit at its expense. Cyprus itself could not fight for its own freedom, but the centuries of Frankish and Turkish domination had not destroyed the ties of language, culture, and religion that bound the Greek Cypriots to other Greeks.”


Thanks :) I will read it.
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Postby Murtaza » Thu May 19, 2005 2:36 pm

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cytoc.html

Kifeas look what I find at this Country Study pages.


"Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus"
The State and Economic Development
The Work Force and Labor Unions
Primary Sector
Agriculture
Water Resources
Land Use and Tenure
Agricultural Cooperatives
Crops
Livestock and Poultry
Forestry and Fishing
Secondary Sector
Manufacturing
Energy Resources and Mining
Construction
Tertiary Sector
Banking
Transportation
Telecommunications
Tourism
Foreign Trade


Do you accept There is a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" other than "Republic of Cyprus". Same Source.
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