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[Piratis]

But how will you get it back? Through a war? Through the so-called EU solution? This is not legally possible.

There is nothing impossible. We will get our land back and there is not a bad way of getting back what we own.

Bananiot, sorry we will not make you the favor. The criminals will be brought to justice, and like it was the case with Titina Loizidou they will be forced to pay the price for their illegalities.

As Papadopoulos's son boasted just after the referendum "we did not give 5 million in order to stay in government for only 7 weeks".

Is this latest "news" part of your own imagination, or it was given to you by your employers?

[Anglo]

The truth of the matter is that most of the GC's that are filing law suits against the occupants of their properties in the north, are put up to do so by rejectionist politicians and similarly thinking bigots who aim at burning all bridges of understanding between the communities. They simply want to cement partition and, creating animocity between the communities, is one way of achieving their evil target.

There is only one answer to the properties problem. SOLUTION of the Cyprob on the basis of the Anan Plan which will be changed without altering its philosophy, to satisfy both communities. The bigots on our side will not give the changes they want to the Plan despite the SG's call, because they do not want a solution.

Bananiot, do you think that once one of these lawsuits is thrown out of a UK/Euro court that the GC administration will be more forthcoming on a negotiated settlement?

[erolz]

For me there is a real difference between the foreigners buying homes in the north today and those that bought before the Annan Plan. Almost all of the current foreign buyers are simply looking for homes that are as cheap as possible and as 'secluded' as possible with little or no regard, understanding or concern or love for Cyprus. In fact one of the significant secotrs of this market is foreigners who currently live in the South and are fed up with rising prices and devlopment and commercialisation there and looking to cash in on the value of their southern homes and move to the north. In contrast nearly all foreign buyers in the north prior to the annan plan vote came to North Cyprus becuase they had a connection to Cyprus, a love of Cyprus an understanding of the Cyprus problem and a sympathy and sense of solidarity with Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus.

The reality is that the Annan Plan, that was designed to help solve the Cyprus problem, has actualy been the cause of this 'boom' in construction and slaes to foreginers. Both in the provisions that it made differentiating between GC owned land prior to 74 that was 'developed' and that which was not re potential return to previous owners and also in creating first an atmosphere internationaly of possible 'solution' (and thus soaring house prices in the north) and secondly in the rehotoric of 'ending TC economic isolation' in the face of GC opposition to the plan. Yes TC and TC adminstrations has much (the bulk) of responsibility for the situation in the North today re sales of homes to foreigners - but GC also have a responsibility (if less so) for this situation, in their rejection of the annan plan and their continued attempts to economicaly isolate the north. The scale of the sale of homes to foreigners is a result of their NO - this may be unfair and unpalateable for GC to accept but is not less a reality. They also have to accept that whilst they inisist that theses things be limited by the authorites here but refuse to consider ways they could help the authorites here do what they want they also have some blame. I truely believe that Talat would seriously consider (and more importantly be able to implement politicaly) a reduction or end to sales of former GC proprties in exchange for diect trade and flights to the North. However to simply inist that he do so without any concessions is unrealistic and in my view could not be done by Talat politicaly even if it was his greatest desire to do so. It comes down to the same old ciricle. If you really want to see sales of former GC properties to foreginers then if your appraoach is 'we will force TC and foreigners to do as we wish, without giving anything' - no matter how 'just' such an approach may or may not be you will not sucseed imo. You have to decide what you want more - the persuit of the 'justness' of your claims or position at any cost , or actual practical ways of slowing or stopping sales of GC propoerty pre 74 to foreigners.

[Piratis]

I don't know about UK court, but the ECHR will not throw out a fair case. It is one of the few places were justice prevails over power politics.

Therefore you should expect many cases like the Titina Loizidou one.

[Piratis]

Nobody bought any GC properties because we never sold them to anybody. Nobody can sell our properties.

If some foreigners want to act against the law and build anything in our land without our authorization they should be prepared to face the consequences of their actions sooner or later.

[erolz]

Nobody bought any GC properties because we never sold them to anybody. Nobody can sell our properties.

If some foreigners want to act against the law and build anything in our land without our authorization they should be prepared to face the consequences of their actions sooner or later.

You are living in cloud coockoo land and to me are more concrened in prooving GC 'rightgeousness' than in actually achieveing anything positive for anyone.

People paid money in axchange for property to someone. That you consider the the 'someone' not the legal owners, does not alter this fact. It does not mean there was no sale and no purchase. I guess in your dream land nobody can sell land in Manhattan, or Sydney or or or as it was stolen from the orignal native amercian occupiers of it. If you are prepared to wait for the day when all the buildings in Manhattan are knocked down and the land reutrned to the orignal native owners before a solution In cyprus so be it. Personaly I would like to see a solution ealrier than this.

[Piratis]

If we like the houses we will not knock them down. We will keep them as part of the compensation for the illegal use of our properties.

[erolz]

If we like the houses we will not knock them down. We will keep them as part of the compensation for the illegal use of our properties.

Well get in line then behind the many many other people that have much longer claims for rightful return of lands that were stolen from them.

If I live to see the day of this 'new world order' where all stolen lands are returned to thier orignal owners and compensation paid by the mighty to the billions of weak they exploited to gain their wealth and might in the first place I will dance with joy in the streets and celebrate along with you. Until this happy day I will continue to work for pratical and possible solutions to the mess that is Cyprus today and not just dream of the 'new world order'.

[gabaston]

Pap’s claim that no tc’s were killed between 63 –74 is still part of the same ideology of that era, i.e. lies, lies, lies.
When your leader says this type of nonsense and you back him, we still assume you are all of the same 60’s mindset.
Pap is there to represent your views. And it seems those views have not changed, but are only sleeping.

In the sixties, fresh from their independence victory over the British, gc thought they could easily overcome tc resistance to either enosis, or pan greek Cypriot rule, and took to guns. Gc underestimated Turkish military power and resolve to stop this.
The result was invasion, and loss of twice as much land, than tc was willing to settle for, when gc wanted enosis.
Today the war has moved into the economic and political arena. Again please don’t make the same costly mistake.
Turkish economy advances rapidly despite pouring billions into negatively maintaining 30,000 troops and supporting the north cyprus economy, (something which Cyprus and Greece put together could not achieve). Politically Turks have learnt from their errors and are beginning to master European diplomacy and politics too. With pap saying stupid things like “no tcs killed between 63-74” he has already done half the job for Turkish politicians.

To underestimate Turkish diplomacy and economy would be the same mistake as when you underestimated Turkish military.
If I were you I would tell your leaders to start negotiating as soon as possible, because the price of a peace is rising everyday. E.g you pay solicitors thousands to take northern home-owners to court, and get a verdict which is hardly likely to be implemented.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

The criminals will be brought to justice, and like it was the case with Titina Loizidou they will be forced to pay the price for their illegalities.

Just what if a property case should be thrown out of court piratis? I know you dont give that any thought because for you its not a possiblity but just for one second, can you imagine the boom that will occur in the North, now we have had all this publicity and attention, the prices will sky rocket, just one loss and you will see developersfrom africa here to buy land. Will this make you feel any better or less bitter???

So individual court cases will not solve the overall Cyprus issue, it will only help increase negativity between the communities which will cement partition forever.