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Postby zan » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:25 am

Kikapu wrote:Pinocchio,

zan wrote:Re Kikopolous......Last time you brought my family into an argument I let you get away with it but this time all I can say to you is "al sanada be orosbu cocuyu".......Istediyin gibi ben da veririm.



I don't know which last time I brought your family into any discussion, and If so, that it was done so in any negative way what so ever. Here I mention that your son has an IQ of 161, which is what you said not too long ago, and in return, you call me a son of a whore (orosbu cocuyu).!! I'm sure my mother of 82 years old appreciates a PRICK like you calling her a whore.!! But all I need to do, is look at the source and it becomes crystal clear who is saying it and the reasons, which is non other than a morally corrupted NeoPartitionist. That really says it all about your character.!

zan wrote:Now if you care to read on then you will be explained to like the little child you are about the meaning of words. Whole sentences are even harder for you I know but I will try to help you along. You don't even understand what you write and now you are back tracking to cover your shame.

What you said was that I cannot be a Cypriot unless I have Greek blood not that I was Greek. I say that is absolute nonsense and as I have said in the past I don't really care what I have running through my veins. I am Turkish now and a Turkish Cypriot to boot. I have no intention of having my country as a solely Greek island in which I am made to look like a visitor. The island is both Greek and Turkish and what you do not understand, along with a whole lot of other things, is that that is what the Greek church and government want.

Now your embarrassment in finally answering the question of " have you converted to being Greek" in the manner you did with your mix of blood is your problem and not mine. If I have the same blood in me as Piratis then , yes I am ashamed. If I have the same blood as Bananiot then I could not be prouder and if I haven't then I want some. We met yesterday along with Halil and another friend of theirs and Bananiot is just as I imagined. One word describes him and that is "GENEROUS"....His heart and brain are in equal proportion and as big as the universe. If I could see the world through his eyes then I would be a happy man. All this in the space of an hour. I loved the way he handled the Ozi humour of his friend. He is indeed a giant amongst men as is Halil. My type of Cypriots.


You can dice my words anyway you want Pinocchio, but you can't hide from the truth. The whole point was to bring it to your attention, that when you call other TC's "Greek" because you get pissed off, be ready to be also questioned regarding your own blood line. It is obvious that you think you are pure Ottoman and you speak of others being Greek, which you are doing it in a disparaging way, or else you would not call some one's 82 year old mother a whore. Until you can show me that Turkish Cypriots who has descended from the Ottomans who landed in Cyprus in 1571 does not have any Greek Blood in them, you are just making an argument for the sake of making an argument. You are not going to have the Ottomans come to Cyprus over 400 years ago and spread out into every corner of the island and not get "injected" from the local gene-pool, and of course, the same is also the truth, with Ottoman genes "injected" into the locals at the time and later. The fact that the Greeks were the larger group on the island, leads to a reasonable conclusion, that they were able to "dilute" the Ottoman's genes more effectively than other way around.

Here is what I said "By the way Pinocchio, did you know that you have some "Greek" in you, or else it is very possible that you cannot be a Cypriot otherwise". Therefore, when I said, that it is very possible, that one cannot be a Cypriot, unless they have some Greek in them, makes perfect sense, since blood lines are like the roots of a large tree, which had been all over the place for over 400 years. The point again is, that when you call other TC's "Greek", you should do the honorable thing, and call yourself Greek also, because there is no such thing as "converting into Greek" as you keep saying. One can convert their religion, but not their ethnicity. You are who you are, a Cypriot, no matter how much you don't like being called that. It's about time you have come to terms with it and accepted it.



You joined in the frenzy of attacks against my sisters and now you include my sons IQ in your pathetic arguments without a care for their feelings and now you expect some sympathy in return :roll: OH! you were only attacking me??? Then the comment I made was only an attack on you and had nothing to do with your mother. Preempting your bullshit response is a favorite pastime of mine.


As to the rest of your theory on who is who....Just like Miltiades you seem to think that you can dictate the conditions.....I am what I want to be but you seem to be unhappy with that because of some blood tests that were put forward that conclude nothing. Conversion for you is a matter of declaration and the hate of anything Turkish. Be it four hundred years of Ottoman blood or a mixer of any combination then I am a Cypriot by right and am here to claim those rights. I have no need to take some Jerry Springer type trailer trash blood test to verify my lineage. You on the other hand are so insecure that you feel only certain elements make you who you are. A I have said...You are either Alkan Chaglar or a foolish follower who has no clue as to what he is or where he is going. You have your outlet in the "RoC" if that is what you want but you want to take mine away and condemn me to Greek rule. It ain't gonna happen flyboy so stop beating yourself up about it. You have a choice in where you might want to settle....I demand mine. If for some unknown reason this new GC leader can pull it off and allow a reasonable unification then I will support that with all my heart. Until then you can take your "RoC" and stick it where the sun don't shine. :arrow:
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:42 am

Zan visited the walled city of Famagusta but apparently did not notice the blocked off town of Varosi right next to it and highly visible from the walls of the old city. To put it in context for those that have not been there and do not know the relative sizes. It is like standing at the top tier of a football stadium and fail to see the pitch.

It is interesting to see how the north has achieved Enosis, flooding the place with settlers and how "they are raking it in". They sound very patriotic!
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Postby zan » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:54 am

Nikitas wrote:Zan visited the walled city of Famagusta but apparently did not notice the blocked off town of Varosi right next to it and highly visible from the walls of the old city. To put it in context for those that have not been there and do not know the relative sizes. It is like standing at the top tier of a football stadium and fail to see the pitch.

It is interesting to see how the north has achieved Enosis, flooding the place with settlers and how "they are raking it in". They sound very patriotic!


I notıced lots and mıssed a hell of a lot as well my frıend. Your poınt scorıng comments are wonderful when you faıl to see an entıre people under seıge of embargoes but ask me to comment on your versıon of thıngs. NICE!!! :roll: :roll:
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Postby Nikitas » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:06 am

How can you be under siege and at the same time able to bring in thousands of settlers and tourists? And how do all these "developers" get in and buy up stolen land?

Something does not add up.
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Postby zan » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:10 am

Nikitas wrote:How can you be under siege and at the same time able to bring in thousands of settlers and tourists? And how do all these "developers" get in and buy up stolen land?

Something does not add up.


My government ıs doıng what ıt can ın the cırcumstances. Corruptıon should be accepted here but you have no excuse for yours...Try explaınıng that.

Tıtle deeds gıven out by the TRNC ıs legal here and you have no say ın that as ıt stands. You progress and we have to bow to your seıge mentallıty. :roll: :roll:
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:26 am

zan wrote:You joined in the frenzy of attacks against my sisters and now you include my sons IQ in your pathetic arguments without a care for their feelings and now you expect some sympathy in return :roll: OH! you were only attacking me??? Then the comment I made was only an attack on you and had nothing to do with your mother. Preempting your bullshit response is a favorite pastime of mine.


Sorry Pinocchio, but you are not going to get of that easy for calling my mother a "whore". If you have limitations in understanding the meanings and insinuations of words used in the Turkish Language, perhaps you should stick to writing in English only, as you should be in any case on the Cyprus Forum, and stop trying to impress anyone with your knowledge of your mother tongue.

Just which "frenzy" did I join to attack your sisters Pinocchio. You are once again lying by making such claims. Why don't you show us if I ever used your family in a negative way. If anything, I wished you and your family to enjoy your visit in Cyprus and to tell us your experiences when you return back home to the UK. This does not even mention your sister(s), so where the hell do you get off calling other's mother's a whore. I will make you wear this statement around your neck Pinocchio, just because it tells us the type of person that you really are, which is nothing but a classless and clueless clown. You even think mentioning that your son has IQ-161 (you told us yourself) is damaging to his feelings. Really.??

As to the rest of your theory on who is who....Just like Miltiades you seem to think that you can dictate the conditions.....I am what I want to be but you seem to be unhappy with that because of some blood tests that were put forward that conclude nothing. Conversion for you is a matter of declaration and the hate of anything Turkish. Be it four hundred years of Ottoman blood or a mixer of any combination then I am a Cypriot by right and am here to claim those rights. I have no need to take some Jerry Springer type trailer trash blood test to verify my lineage. You on the other hand are so insecure that you feel only certain elements make you who you are. A I have said...You are either Alkan Chaglar or a foolish follower who has no clue as to what he is or where he is going. You have your outlet in the "RoC" if that is what you want but you want to take mine away and condemn me to Greek rule. It ain't gonna happen flyboy so stop beating yourself up about it. You have a choice in where you might want to settle....I demand mine. If for some unknown reason this new GC leader can pull it off and allow a reasonable unification then I will support that with all my heart. Until then you can take your "RoC" and stick it where the sun don't shine. :arrow:


Listen Pinocchio, I had no idea who Alkan Chaglar was or what his position was on "Cypriot Blood Lines", other than the link you gave on him the other day. There has been many discussions on the forum on this subject in the past. Unlike you, I call myself a Cypriot and you can call yourself what ever the hell you want, makes no difference to me. One thing you cannot deny, is the fact that like all Cypriots, blood lines between the Greeks and Ottomans have exchanged few times back and forth. Just by having Greek blood in the TC's does not make anyone Greek as you accuse other being one. But if you believe in what you say and call other TC's a Greek, then stands the reason, that you are also calling yourself a Greek. It's all very simple really Pinocchio.!

Just because I do not follow your NeoPartitionist and Fascistic ideology, does not make me a hater of anything Turkish. If that were to be the case, then the "trnc" is full of "haters of anything Turkish", since not all follow your ideology. What you don't understand is, we are all not followers of your idol and mentor Denktash or any Fascistic or Racist ideology to be used as basis for a settlement for Cyprus and for all Cypriots. So much for your time living in the West and in True Democracy. It has been totally wasted on a close minded Fascists like yourself. We have already tried your ideology method for Cyprus in the 1960 Constitution, and it has brought us to where we are today. Only a fool will want to implement the same kind of ideology in the next settlement, since the results will once again be what they are today. But as a failed Annan Plan supporters, that has been your dream all along. Sorry Pinocchio, no more tricks can be used in the next round of negotiations. We are either going to accept all the principles and pillars on True Democracy and Human Rights as practiced in the West and the EU, or else, it will be just a waste of time. People like you belong in the Middle East where Democracy is only practiced in name only, if at all, and not the kind of Democracy practiced in the Western civilization. Lets not forget, that you have stated in the past, that "not to be asked anything on regarding Democracy, because you did not know anything about it".

These were your own words and very fitting too.!!
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Postby zan » Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:49 am

Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:You joined in the frenzy of attacks against my sisters and now you include my sons IQ in your pathetic arguments without a care for their feelings and now you expect some sympathy in return :roll: OH! you were only attacking me??? Then the comment I made was only an attack on you and had nothing to do with your mother. Preempting your bullshit response is a favorite pastime of mine.


Sorry Pinocchio, but you are not going to get of that easy for calling my mother a "whore". If you have limitations in understanding the meanings and insinuations of words used in the Turkish Language, perhaps you should stick to writing in English only, as you should be in any case on the Cyprus Forum, and stop trying to impress anyone with your knowledge of your mother tongue.

Just which "frenzy" did I join to attack your sisters Pinocchio. You are once again lying by making such claims. Why don't you show us if I ever used your family in a negative way. If anything, I wished you and your family to enjoy your visit in Cyprus and to tell us your experiences when you return back home to the UK. This does not even mention your sister(s), so where the hell do you get off calling other's mother's a whore. I will make you wear this statement around your neck Pinocchio, just because it tells us the type of person that you really are, which is nothing but a classless and clueless clown. You even think mentioning that your son has IQ-161 (you told us yourself) is damaging to his feelings. Really.??

As to the rest of your theory on who is who....Just like Miltiades you seem to think that you can dictate the conditions.....I am what I want to be but you seem to be unhappy with that because of some blood tests that were put forward that conclude nothing. Conversion for you is a matter of declaration and the hate of anything Turkish. Be it four hundred years of Ottoman blood or a mixer of any combination then I am a Cypriot by right and am here to claim those rights. I have no need to take some Jerry Springer type trailer trash blood test to verify my lineage. You on the other hand are so insecure that you feel only certain elements make you who you are. A I have said...You are either Alkan Chaglar or a foolish follower who has no clue as to what he is or where he is going. You have your outlet in the "RoC" if that is what you want but you want to take mine away and condemn me to Greek rule. It ain't gonna happen flyboy so stop beating yourself up about it. You have a choice in where you might want to settle....I demand mine. If for some unknown reason this new GC leader can pull it off and allow a reasonable unification then I will support that with all my heart. Until then you can take your "RoC" and stick it where the sun don't shine. :arrow:


Listen Pinocchio, I had no idea who Alkan Chaglar was or what his position was on "Cypriot Blood Lines", other than the link you gave on him the other day. There has been many discussions on the forum on this subject in the past. Unlike you, I call myself a Cypriot and you can call yourself what ever the hell you want, makes no difference to me. One thing you cannot deny, is the fact that like all Cypriots, blood lines between the Greeks and Ottomans have exchanged few times back and forth. Just by having Greek blood in the TC's does not make anyone Greek as you accuse other being one. But if you believe in what you say and call other TC's a Greek, then stands the reason, that you are also calling yourself a Greek. It's all very simple really Pinocchio.!

Just because I do not follow your NeoPartitionist and Fascistic ideology, does not make me a hater of anything Turkish. If that were to be the case, then the "trnc" is full of "haters of anything Turkish", since not all follow your ideology. What you don't understand is, we are all not followers of your idol and mentor Denktash or any Fascistic or Racist ideology to be used as basis for a settlement for Cyprus and for all Cypriots. So much for your time living in the West and in True Democracy. It has been totally wasted on a close minded Fascists like yourself. We have already tried your ideology method for Cyprus in the 1960 Constitution, and it has brought us to where we are today. Only a fool will want to implement the same kind of ideology in the next settlement, since the results will once again be what they are today. But as a failed Annan Plan supporters, that has been your dream all along. Sorry Pinocchio, no more tricks can be used in the next round of negotiations. We are either going to accept all the principles and pillars on True Democracy and Human Rights as practiced in the West and the EU, or else, it will be just a waste of time. People like you belong in the Middle East where Democracy is only practiced in name only, if at all, and not the kind of Democracy practiced in the Western civilization. Lets not forget, that you have stated in the past, that "not to be asked anything on regarding Democracy, because you did not know anything about it".

These were your own words and very fitting too.!!



I wıll try to explain to you once agaın that the name is meant for you and you alone. The rest is up to you. Your mother has nothing to do wıth this and if I tought for one minute that she was computer literate I would not have gone there. As for brıngıng my son and the attacks on my sisters a while back when you joined in wıth GR, then they are computer literate but I am bored wıth this so as I said.....The rest is up to you. I wıll even go as far as sayıng I am sorry for my outburst and blame ıt on tıredness and anger......THE REST IS UP TO YOU::::


As for your stance on democracy as you see ıt......It does not work that way. You cannot plaster over the cracks wıth the pretence that ıt wıll solve the problems faced ın Cyprus wıth just Greek rule. Sımple as that...No more needs to be saıd on that eıther.

As for the shared rule ın 1960 not workıng...Anythıng can be sabotaged as ıt was by Makarıos so that you can say ıt dıd not work. Funny how some ımpossıble thıngs work wıth the rıght wıll and some certaın thıngs not by sabotage. :roll:
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 11, 2008 12:20 pm

zan wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
zan wrote:You joined in the frenzy of attacks against my sisters and now you include my sons IQ in your pathetic arguments without a care for their feelings and now you expect some sympathy in return :roll: OH! you were only attacking me??? Then the comment I made was only an attack on you and had nothing to do with your mother. Preempting your bullshit response is a favorite pastime of mine.


Sorry Pinocchio, but you are not going to get of that easy for calling my mother a "whore". If you have limitations in understanding the meanings and insinuations of words used in the Turkish Language, perhaps you should stick to writing in English only, as you should be in any case on the Cyprus Forum, and stop trying to impress anyone with your knowledge of your mother tongue.

Just which "frenzy" did I join to attack your sisters Pinocchio. You are once again lying by making such claims. Why don't you show us if I ever used your family in a negative way. If anything, I wished you and your family to enjoy your visit in Cyprus and to tell us your experiences when you return back home to the UK. This does not even mention your sister(s), so where the hell do you get off calling other's mother's a whore. I will make you wear this statement around your neck Pinocchio, just because it tells us the type of person that you really are, which is nothing but a classless and clueless clown. You even think mentioning that your son has IQ-161 (you told us yourself) is damaging to his feelings. Really.??

As to the rest of your theory on who is who....Just like Miltiades you seem to think that you can dictate the conditions.....I am what I want to be but you seem to be unhappy with that because of some blood tests that were put forward that conclude nothing. Conversion for you is a matter of declaration and the hate of anything Turkish. Be it four hundred years of Ottoman blood or a mixer of any combination then I am a Cypriot by right and am here to claim those rights. I have no need to take some Jerry Springer type trailer trash blood test to verify my lineage. You on the other hand are so insecure that you feel only certain elements make you who you are. A I have said...You are either Alkan Chaglar or a foolish follower who has no clue as to what he is or where he is going. You have your outlet in the "RoC" if that is what you want but you want to take mine away and condemn me to Greek rule. It ain't gonna happen flyboy so stop beating yourself up about it. You have a choice in where you might want to settle....I demand mine. If for some unknown reason this new GC leader can pull it off and allow a reasonable unification then I will support that with all my heart. Until then you can take your "RoC" and stick it where the sun don't shine. :arrow:


Listen Pinocchio, I had no idea who Alkan Chaglar was or what his position was on "Cypriot Blood Lines", other than the link you gave on him the other day. There has been many discussions on the forum on this subject in the past. Unlike you, I call myself a Cypriot and you can call yourself what ever the hell you want, makes no difference to me. One thing you cannot deny, is the fact that like all Cypriots, blood lines between the Greeks and Ottomans have exchanged few times back and forth. Just by having Greek blood in the TC's does not make anyone Greek as you accuse other being one. But if you believe in what you say and call other TC's a Greek, then stands the reason, that you are also calling yourself a Greek. It's all very simple really Pinocchio.!

Just because I do not follow your NeoPartitionist and Fascistic ideology, does not make me a hater of anything Turkish. If that were to be the case, then the "trnc" is full of "haters of anything Turkish", since not all follow your ideology. What you don't understand is, we are all not followers of your idol and mentor Denktash or any Fascistic or Racist ideology to be used as basis for a settlement for Cyprus and for all Cypriots. So much for your time living in the West and in True Democracy. It has been totally wasted on a close minded Fascists like yourself. We have already tried your ideology method for Cyprus in the 1960 Constitution, and it has brought us to where we are today. Only a fool will want to implement the same kind of ideology in the next settlement, since the results will once again be what they are today. But as a failed Annan Plan supporters, that has been your dream all along. Sorry Pinocchio, no more tricks can be used in the next round of negotiations. We are either going to accept all the principles and pillars on True Democracy and Human Rights as practiced in the West and the EU, or else, it will be just a waste of time. People like you belong in the Middle East where Democracy is only practiced in name only, if at all, and not the kind of Democracy practiced in the Western civilization. Lets not forget, that you have stated in the past, that "not to be asked anything on regarding Democracy, because you did not know anything about it".

These were your own words and very fitting too.!!



I wıll try to explain to you once agaın that the name is meant for you and you alone. The rest is up to you. Your mother has nothing to do wıth this and if I tought for one minute that she was computer literate I would not have gone there. As for brıngıng my son and the attacks on my sisters a while back when you joined in wıth GR, then they are computer literate but I am bored wıth this so as I said.....The rest is up to you. I wıll even go as far as sayıng I am sorry for my outburst and blame ıt on tıredness and anger......THE REST IS UP TO YOU::::


As for your stance on democracy as you see ıt......It does not work that way. You cannot plaster over the cracks wıth the pretence that ıt wıll solve the problems faced ın Cyprus wıth just Greek rule. Sımple as that...No more needs to be saıd on that eıther.

As for the shared rule ın 1960 not workıng...Anythıng can be sabotaged as ıt was by Makarıos so that you can say ıt dıd not work. Funny how some ımpossıble thıngs work wıth the rıght wıll and some certaın thıngs not by sabotage. :roll:


Zan,

I'll keep this very short and say that I accept your apologies regarding tasteless remarks made against my mother indirectly. It takes a big man to do that, and I commend you for it.

By the way, my 82 year old mother is not "computer literate".

Do you know any Cypriots at her age, that are.! :lol:

I do not know what remarks were made against your sister(s) few months ago, but I for one do not insult others family members other than perhaps light humour comments, but I encourage all members, that if I cross the line at any time, to let me know, and that I will apologize right away.

Lets discuss your other points later, when I have more time.

Again, thank you for your apology.!
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