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Postby halil » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:41 pm

karma wrote:
halil wrote:
Thanks Karma ,
oynayacağız , hayat çok kısa .

we will dance Karma life is too short .

Do you have any idea about documentar made about ship (if i am not wrong Kurtuluş) during the WWII this ship was carring food and medicine and help from Turkish people to Greece .It is on show at same time in Greece and Turkey .Who are the producers ?


yup, Kurtulus has been one of the ''forgotton'' cases for so many years, the producer is Erhan Cerrahoglu...
many people remember tht ship here in Greece each time they eat bulgur (pligouri) :)


Thanks again Karma by your help i found below information about ship.

WWII life-saving ship star of documentary:

Filmmaker and author Erhan Cerrahoğlu has been working on a documentary about a ship that carried humanitarian supplies from Turkey to Greece during World War II.

The ship, Kurtuluş, sunk on its fifth trip to Greece, on Feb. 20, 1942, due to a storm.

The documentary notes that Turkey was the only country that helped Greece during the period known as the “Great Hunger,” when estimates say 70,000 people died, and iincludes interviews with Greek academics and citizens who lived through the period.

Cerrahoğlu said he was impressed about what they told him about the ship: “They were talking about a Turkish ship that sunk while taking much-needed supplies to Greece. As I was preparing it, I was shocked. Why didn't anyone know about this?”

He said as he investigated the story, he realized most of the relevant archives were destroyed and that not a single record of what happened existed even in the records of the Turkish Red Crescent, which supplied the aid.

During his trip to Athens, Cerrahoğlu realized that all those who lived through World War II remembered the Kurtuluş. “Everyone I talked to ended their interview by saying how nonsensical the tension between Turkey and Greece is. Unfortunately, not a single Turkish witness survives.”

Speaking for the documentary, Greek historian Georgeos Margaritis said: “Kurtuluş, until February 1942, was the symbol of hope for Greeks. After it sank, more ships came, but all of them were known as Kurtuluş to us. People used to say, ‘We are hungry, but Kurtuluş will come tomorrow'.”

The documentary is sponsored by Greece's Olympic Airways.

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Postby halil » Mon Aug 04, 2008 3:47 pm

THE STORY OF "THE STEAMER THAT CARRIED PEACE

In October 1940, following the attack of the Italian Army, Greece found itself in the middle of WWII. Greeks could resist the brutal forces of Mussolini, supported by the Germans, for six months only. On April 27, 1941 Greece conceded defeat.The Nazis started their occupation of Greece by confiscating all food supplies, where food supply was short of meeting the demand even in times of peace. Storehouses, diary farms and cottages were rapidly plundered to supply the rations of the German army advancing in Europe. This time spring in Greece was a harbinger of misery and scarcity, not of happy summer
days.Within few months people started dying from hunger. Left in want of a bite to eat, the Greek people were in desperation. In the streets of Athens trucks were carrying the dead to mass graves. These days of horror would last long and in the course of the war Greece would lose 570.000, or seven per cent of its population, to hunger. There was scarcity in Turkey as well. The majority of the agricultural work force was drafted when the war broke and food supplies were reserved to feed the army in case Turkey entered the war. Nevertheless, Turkish
peple were carefully following the news concerning the hunger in the neighbouring country and were eager to do something to help.Eventually Ismet Inonu, the Turkish President, signed a decison to help the people whose army was thrown out of the country 19 years ago. Turkey was to be the first country to lend a helping hand to Greece; food and medicine was to be collected and sent through a nationwide campaign. Everybody who could would bring whatever they could afford to collection centers and
packages of foodstuffs were sent to the port of Istanbul. The humanitarian aid to the other side of the Aegean Sea was to be sent from here.To carry the aid to Greece, the government hired a 2400-ton dry cargo vessel built in 1882 from Tavilzade Co.. The ship bore the same name given to the recent war with Greece: "Liberation"."Liberation" was prepared for her voyage with Red Crescent amblems painted on all sides. She left the Karakoy pier on October 6, 1941, loaded with 2000 tons of food supplies and thousands wished her a safe
journey with tears in their eyes.
When the steamer entered the port of Piraeus it was greeted with shouts of joy in Turkish and Greek. Every package of food and medicine unloaded under the hard-looking gaze of German soldiers was foretelling
the "Liberation" of the people from famine.

In the following months "Liberation" made 4 more trips, bringing a total of 8000 tons of humanitarian aid to the Greek people. Until that day...On the night of February 20, 1942, having sailed off from Istanbul two days ago with 2000 of food supplies, the steamer "Liberation" was cought in a violent storm off the Marmara Island. The heavy snowstorm and high waves were trashing the steamer about like a nut shell and it was as if the old body of the ship was screaming. The crew left the ship in tears when it hit the rocks after four hours of inhuman effort. When the first lights of the morning sun touched the sea from behind the storm clouds "Liberation" sunk in the cold waters of the Marmara Sea, along with the hopes of thousands of Greeks awaiting her.The thirty four-member crew of the unfortunate steamer sought refuge in the Marmara Island and so survived. After hours of walking they reached the village of Pulatya and were later brought to Istanbul.With the sinking of "Liberation" the humanitarian aid to Greece suffered delay for about 6 months. However, Turkey maintained her determination to help and so the aid continued until 1946 using other ships: "Dumlup?nar", "Tunc", "Konya", "Guneysu" and "Aksu". Today, sixty two years after she sunk, the steamer "Liberation" lies somewhere off the Marmara Island.


WHAT WILL THE DOCUMENTARY "THE STEAMER THAT CARRIED PEACE" BE TELLING

"The Steamer That Carried Peace" aims to contribute to strengthening peaceful relations between Turkey and Greece through the tragic story of the long-forgotten steamer

In the documentary, interviews with historians, survivors of the ship, witnesses, organizators of the campaign and Greeks who benefitted from the aid from Turkey will provide answers to the following questions:

What was the situation in Greece and Turkey during the Second World War?

How was the aid campaign to Greece organized?

What kind of a ship was "Liberation"

What did the crew of the ship witness?

Did Greeks who benefitted from the aid sent from Turkey remember what they suffered?

How did "Liberation" sink?

What is the condition of the ship at the bottom of the sea?

The documentary "The Steamer That Carried Peace" will be prepared using a series of interviews conducted in Istanbul, Athens and the Marmara Island,
as well as footage taken on the sea and under water.

The ship, whose location was approximately known but not pictured so far, will be shown for the first time in the documentary The Steamer That Carried Peace".

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Postby T_C » Mon Aug 04, 2008 11:22 pm

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By the way Pinocchio, did you know that you have some "Greek" in you, or else it is very possible that you cannot be a Cypriot otherwise. :wink: :wink:



Sorry Zan....but if that really is you in the picture then you definately DO have some Greek in you!!!! ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:


T_C I agree, up his arse :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol:

Not quite what I had in mind Panth.....but hey.....thanks all the same for pointing that out too. :lol: :lol: :D
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Postby SSBubbles » Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:39 pm

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Nikitas wrote:Bubbles mou,

Yes it was me that gave you the ersatz kleftiko recipe. It is dead simple. Preheat your oven to 200 C. Rub the well thawed New Zealand lamb (I am such a traitor but it does come out better than the milk fed Greek lambs) with salt, pepper and oregano (optional). Here come the tricky part- place a pan with water in the oven. Put a grill over the pan and place the lamb on the grill so it is about two inches distant from the water surface. Leave for 5 minutes and turn heat down to 150 C and forget it. Do not open the oven, do not baste, generally do not Ef with it. After three hours or when internal temperature is 165 (Farenheit this time cause that is what my meat thermometer reads), you have kleftiko.


Cheers Nikita mou, I just 'knew' it was you :) :) I shall be making your delicious dish as soon as I can, (turned out an absolute treat the last time!!) We are are away for the weekend, so.................I hope to make it - soon! :) :)



Could not wait until I made it again, so I ordered kleftiko while we were away at the weekend! I have to say that it was devine - the meat was so tasty and tender - it just fell off the (very small) bone!
Washed down with local wine - felt like seventh heaven! :)
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Postby zan » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:39 pm

T_C wrote:
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Zan the Pinocchio

By the way Pinocchio, did you know that you have some "Greek" in you, or else it is very possible that you cannot be a Cypriot otherwise. :wink: :wink:



Sorry Zan....but if that really is you in the picture then you definately DO have some Greek in you!!!! ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:


T_C I agree, up his arse :lol: :lol: :lol:


:lol:

Not quite what I had in mind Panth.....but hey.....thanks all the same for pointing that out too. :lol: :lol: :D


I have never had relatıons wıth that Greek woman Monıca Kıkaplınskıodopolous. 8) :lol:


Serıously though....I have fınally worked out who thıs freak ıs wıth hıs confessıon here that he has Greek blood. Thıs Pr**k ıs Alkan Chaglar wıthout a doubt....At least he has fınally come out and admıtted somethıng ınstead of skırtıng around the ıssue tıme after tıme.

If not hım then a follower....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkan_%C3%87a%C4%9Flar
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Postby T_C » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:46 pm

What confession? :shock:

SHOW ME! :D
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Postby zan » Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:49 pm

T_C wrote:What confession? :shock:

SHOW ME! :D


He saıd quıte clearly that we cannot be Cyprıot unless we have Greek blood :evil:
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Postby T_C » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:15 am

:roll: Who cares what he says? :lol:

The first Cypriots weren't even Greek.
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Postby zan » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:20 am

T_C wrote::roll: Who cares what he says? :lol:

The first Cypriots weren't even Greek.



I know but I hate people who lıe about who they are :evil:



Read what he says as Alkan Chaglar (He even spells hıs name wıth a 'CH')


Same shıt that Kıkapolous gıves us here... :wink:
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:21 am

T_C wrote::roll: Who cares what he says? :lol:

The first Cypriots weren't even Greek.



We all know what we are.

Show me a pure Greek in Greece or a Pure Turk in Turkey, apart from Hulya Avsar. :lol: So what?
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