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[denizaksulu]

TO Zan and Deniz,

Getting to the point of voicing concern over the influx of settlers, when the voices come from TCs, gives us a chance of repairing the damage. When GCs alone talk about settlers it can be dismissed as propaganda, spite etc.

And no, I am not advocating putting them all in a ship and sinking it Zan! These people did not materialise out of thin air, they come from sepcific villages and towns in Turkey and given a generous amount as compensation can go back there and be well off by local standards.

Comparing settlers who have voting rights in the TRNC and can outvote the locals with migrant workers and EU residents in the south who DO NOT VOTE is a non starter.

And once again I am shocked at how easily you accept these foreigners but spare no thought for expatriated TCs who should be the first to receive any benefit from a solution and inducements to return to the island.

Who is the 'you' targetted at Nikitas? I hope its not me.

[denizaksulu]

Sotos,

TCs say that they are the weaker side and need special conditions to survive on Cyprus, well, let us provide them but only for TCs.

Taking your thinking to its logical conclusion we must drive all non GCs from the island, and that is simply not going to happen.

Nikitas in Cyprus we have many other minorities and many foreigners. NO PROBLEM with them because they respect the people of Cyprus. The Turks want to push out the native people from their lands and EXPAND against us. And by us I mean all Cypriots not just GCs. Didn't they also take Maronite villages and places that Armenian Cypriots used to live? This is what they keep doing. Invade, kill, steal our lands, give them to Turks they bring here. Do you know anybody else that is doing this in Cyprus? Before I was thinking that "TCs" are Cypriots. But now I realize they are just invader Settlers that are in Cyprus for some generations. This is why they like the new Settlers so much! Because they are the same thing! Don't they actually call these new Settlers as "Cypriots" already? What more proof you want that actually non of them is Cypriot?

Sotos says, "they like the new Settlers so much".
How many TCs did you ask this question Sotos? or was there a poll carried out? In that case please give us a link.

Thank you.

[zan]

When in Girne and Lefcosa we went to eat at the Turkish cafe/restaurant, I could not help but notice the funny looks I got from these people that I had actually come to eat at their cafe when they heard my TC accent. I then started to notice that TCs did not eat at these places....Did I see it wrong? What is this utanmazlik? The TCs seem to like feeling superior. Those of us that have lived in a multi-cultural society seem to find it easier to relate. This is about governments and not about the everyday person. It is as unfair as Lena telling me that if I am nice to the GCs, if I cross over, then they will be nice to me. Thanks Lena but you could not be more insulting if you tried. My protest of not coming over is because of politics not because I hate or fear all GCs. I could care less if all the GCs moved over to the TRNC. What I want, and I believe what every TC wants , is representation and acknowledgement. It is those that think they are going to get rich by unification that are the danger and not the ones who might lose a house. They seem to want to sell their souls and their Turkishness for cash.

Dear Zan, i am so sorry if you felt that i insulted you. It was not my intention. I just wrote my thought. I did not said though that you have to treat us nice so we will treat you nice. Its not one of my believes anyway. I just said that I felt annoyed by the way you described our holy places and GC people and places. I felt like you insulted my religion while I was reading your descriptions about Apostolos Andreas. They only thing I said is that you should describe what you want but try not to insult us....not because we will pay you that back but because I thought you had more human feelings than others.

As for treating us nice and we will treat you nice....well it wont happen. Imagine if you treat some GC nice over there and you come south and come accross with some fanatics even if you are nice they wont be. I believe that we should behave and treat people as equal human beings with respect in general and not after we found out what they are and where they come from. Also we should do that without expecting a pay back or the same attitude. It will be great if we all were that good...but I am realistic and I know we are not.

As for coming south, well I used to challenge you...but not anymore. The only thing I wished you could do is to visit south just to see that we aint that bad and we dont insult or kill or harm any TC or Turk we see around us. You will be surprised how many TC they live and work over here. None of them would have done that if they had those problems.

You keep saying that if you ever accept unification, you will be minority. Well guess what your own people (as you call them) told you that in "your government" they feel minority. Funny huh? You keep saying that the GC will not want the TC and guess what you said that the Turks make fun of the TC accent of yours and other TC and as a result none of the TC go to Turkish restaurant.

I am really sorry if I insulted you, it was not my intention, but hey you dont need me anyway. You are doing a fine job by yourself.

Lena

I am not upset with you because I have to tell you one thing and I hope you will not be upset with me. Your grasp of the english language and its "isms" makes you misunderstand what I say. I have no idea where you get some of the things you have picked upon and believe me when I say you are wrong.

I can tell the difference between GC and TC though there are some that blur the edges. The fact that these guys had a cross dangling from their rear view mirror helped as well. I also said that what I saw could have been wrong as to their behaviour. You also accused me of lying...There is only one person I lie to here and that is Piratis because I just want to give him some of his own shit back.

I have been to many churches and I commented on thiis one as not being impressive because it is not but I also said that I appreciate its importance and agreed to its restoration. My comment about icons is my rejection of religion as a whole and the waste of a mans life guarding them. The mans life is more important to me. I will apologise for any offense caused.

Now young lady....Go back and learn some proper English so we can speak without you biting my head off or I will fail you with an F-......

[zan]

¨.....that will have the remaining TCs living in reservations....." well Zan, when a community drops in numbers by more than half in one generation, it is well on its way to being on a reservation, living like a relic. This is what Iceman, Bir, Kikapu and others react to, and the reaction is understandable. The reaction is not limited to personal expressions in furms like this one, there are commentators and politicians who react too, and they are not agents of the GCs or Greece. They see what is happening and do not want it.

First of all Nikitas...Don't put iceman and Bir in the same boat as Kikapolous. Iceman and Bir want what I want but go about it in their own sweet way. Kikapolous doesn't have a clue what he wants or who the hell he is.


Secondly......The concern you display about our preservation is a little sickening considering you support the Embargoes that brought us to the point in the first place. The Embargoes that you have even denied, if my memory serves me right. They took power away from the TCs and stopped them developing to the point that Turkey was and still is the only way out.


As to your lazst point....You poo poo anyone who is |GC that contradicts what you say and documents the killing of TCs and the manner in which it was done but then turn around and ask me to accept anything and everything a TC says that suits you. Talk about double standards.

[zan]

zan, should you ask another time about enclaves, try this...

if Greek Cypriots lived in enclaves would this bother you?
if "we" had enclaves in the south would you mind "their" enclaves in the north?

the other question I would like to hear an answer for is,
if there is no possibiltity for two governments to exist, will you accept three?
...a Cypriot State, and two National Assemblies.

I am for anything that ensures our rights in Cyprus RW but having enclaves is not one of them. I have no idea how the system you are putting forward would work but when and if your government puts it on the table then I will become an expert on it...Until then it is not worth my time.

enclaves as a whole is not good RW and I feel that some already exist with the Brits and I wish they would just integrate instead.

[zan]

TO Zan and Deniz,

Getting to the point of voicing concern over the influx of settlers, when the voices come from TCs, gives us a chance of repairing the damage. When GCs alone talk about settlers it can be dismissed as propaganda, spite etc.

And no, I am not advocating putting them all in a ship and sinking it Zan! These people did not materialise out of thin air, they come from sepcific villages and towns in Turkey and given a generous amount as compensation can go back there and be well off by local standards.

Comparing settlers who have voting rights in the TRNC and can outvote the locals with migrant workers and EU residents in the south who DO NOT VOTE is a non starter.

And once again I am shocked at how easily you accept these foreigners but spare no thought for expatriated TCs who should be the first to receive any benefit from a solution and inducements to return to the island.

Are you now saying that you will give them the choice???

I did not exclude the expats.....We were talking about Turks so that is what I commented on. I would welcome the return of all TCs and I think we should be allowed to vote even though we do not live on the island.

Again you allow the "RoC" to quote numbers that include your settlers but will not allow us.

[zan]

LENA,

no such apologies to ZANZIBAR are necessary. He makes no apology for slagging off anything GC and likes to play with words to suit his own purpose.

This whole letters from the North bulshit is just another propoganda scheme.

If he wanted , he was going to have his holiday with his family in peace and say nothing. When he got home he could then write his shit.

But oh, no, not Zanazibar, he wants us to feel sorry for him everyday of his sorry arse trip.

Zan, do us all a favour mate, fuck off, have you holiday and leave the words for another time. Moron.

hahahahahahahahahaaaa...ha! The Turk basher himself throwing stones....you poor fool!!!

[zan]

Sotos,

TCs say that they are the weaker side and need special conditions to survive on Cyprus, well, let us provide them but only for TCs.

Taking your thinking to its logical conclusion we must drive all non GCs from the island, and that is simply not going to happen.

Nikitas in Cyprus we have many other minorities and many foreigners. NO PROBLEM with them because they respect the people of Cyprus. The Turks want to push out the native people from their lands and EXPAND against us. And by us I mean all Cypriots not just GCs. Didn't they also take Maronite villages and places that Armenian Cypriots used to live? This is what they keep doing. Invade, kill, steal our lands, give them to Turks they bring here. Do you know anybody else that is doing this in Cyprus? Before I was thinking that "TCs" are Cypriots. But now I realize they are just invader Settlers that are in Cyprus for some generations. This is why they like the new Settlers so much! Because they are the same thing! Don't they actually call these new Settlers as "Cypriots" already? What more proof you want that actually non of them is Cypriot?

Re Sotos....Take a look at your avatar.....I think your brain is buzzing around your head trying to get in......

leave this kind of stuff to that bigot Kifeas son......He still f**ks it up but has better knowledge than you have at least you are just a bad example of a parrot.

[zan]

74LB

Don't worry about the thread be gardas.....It is all gone anyway.....I don't even want to write about it any more anyway. We TCs all know who we are and the GCs here don't want to know so f**k it. we just have to do what we have to do........O gadar!!!

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

74LB

Don't worry about the thread be gardas.....It is all gone anyway.....I don't even want to write about it any more anyway. We TCs all know who we are and the GCs here don't want to know so f**k it. we just have to do what we have to do........O gadar!!!

haha Do you know who you are ?? Seems like you think you are one with Turkey - hence your soon to come downfall.