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[denizaksulu]

[quote="Nikitas"]Re the above here is a short fragment from today's comment by Sener Levent in Politis newspaper:

"The number of settlers is multiple that of ours [TCs]. Political power belongs to them, not to us."

At least the number of people who are stating this fact is growing, in the past few dared mention it, now you hear it repeated almost daily, and that is a good sign.[/quote]


A good sign for who exactly? How many TCs want to become a province of Turkey? Thank god I am not young enough to see that day.

[LENA]

When in Girne and Lefcosa we went to eat at the Turkish cafe/restaurant, I could not help but notice the funny looks I got from these people that I had actually come to eat at their cafe when they heard my TC accent. I then started to notice that TCs did not eat at these places....Did I see it wrong? What is this utanmazlik? The TCs seem to like feeling superior. Those of us that have lived in a multi-cultural society seem to find it easier to relate. This is about governments and not about the everyday person. It is as unfair as Lena telling me that if I am nice to the GCs, if I cross over, then they will be nice to me. Thanks Lena but you could not be more insulting if you tried. My protest of not coming over is because of politics not because I hate or fear all GCs. I could care less if all the GCs moved over to the TRNC. What I want, and I believe what every TC wants , is representation and acknowledgement. It is those that think they are going to get rich by unification that are the danger and not the ones who might lose a house. They seem to want to sell their souls and their Turkishness for cash.

Dear Zan, i am so sorry if you felt that i insulted you. It was not my intention. I just wrote my thought. I did not said though that you have to treat us nice so we will treat you nice. Its not one of my believes anyway. I just said that I felt annoyed by the way you described our holy places and GC people and places. I felt like you insulted my religion while I was reading your descriptions about Apostolos Andreas. They only thing I said is that you should describe what you want but try not to insult us....not because we will pay you that back but because I thought you had more human feelings than others.

As for treating us nice and we will treat you nice....well it wont happen. Imagine if you treat some GC nice over there and you come south and come accross with some fanatics even if you are nice they wont be. I believe that we should behave and treat people as equal human beings with respect in general and not after we found out what they are and where they come from. Also we should do that without expecting a pay back or the same attitude. It will be great if we all were that good...but I am realistic and I know we are not.

As for coming south, well I used to challenge you...but not anymore. The only thing I wished you could do is to visit south just to see that we aint that bad and we dont insult or kill or harm any TC or Turk we see around us. You will be surprised how many TC they live and work over here. None of them would have done that if they had those problems.

You keep saying that if you ever accept unification, you will be minority. Well guess what your own people (as you call them) told you that in "your government" they feel minority. Funny huh? You keep saying that the GC will not want the TC and guess what you said that the Turks make fun of the TC accent of yours and other TC and as a result none of the TC go to Turkish restaurant.

I am really sorry if I insulted you, it was not my intention, but hey you dont need me anyway. You are doing a fine job by yourself.

[zan]

¨.....that will have the remaining TCs living in reservations....." well Zan, when a community drops in numbers by more than half in one generation, it is well on its way to being on a reservation, living like a relic. This is what Iceman, Bir, Kikapu and others react to, and the reaction is understandable. The reaction is not limited to personal expressions in furms like this one, there are commentators and politicians who react too, and they are not agents of the GCs or Greece. They see what is happening and do not want it.

Firstly.... Thanks Deniz for the poem and yes it is vile but non more so than that little ditto from Richard III where I think he lets go the dogs of war or something like that. I am not making excuses for it, just trying toput it into perspective.

Looking forward to meeting you!!!


Nikitas

I do not want it either but you nor anyone else is was offering anything better while we had a chance to prevent it. what I don't want now is a shameful compulsory deportation of a people that diod not come here in uniform but to better themselves. Just because others report it does not make it right either. I want to turn back time and find the peace that some think we had but at what cost. I don't care what people think my motives are...I really do not feal comfortable with dragging people onto boats in a Nazi style move and sinking the ship out to sea. That is what you are asking of these people, in a metaphorical sense. Go away and start again and we don't care what happens to you. You are Turkeys problem. where does it stop. How many people from the "RoC" will you let us deport. I don't mean in a tit for tat way but I find it hard to find the fine line. It fills me with dread for the human race. At the very least we are Turks one and all.

[repulsewarrior]

zan, should you ask another time about enclaves, try this...

if Greek Cypriots lived in enclaves would this bother you?
if "we" had enclaves in the south would you mind "their" enclaves in the north?

the other question I would like to hear an answer for is,
if there is no possibiltity for two governments to exist, will you accept three?
...a Cypriot State, and two National Assemblies.

[Nikitas]

TO Zan and Deniz,

Getting to the point of voicing concern over the influx of settlers, when the voices come from TCs, gives us a chance of repairing the damage. When GCs alone talk about settlers it can be dismissed as propaganda, spite etc.

And no, I am not advocating putting them all in a ship and sinking it Zan! These people did not materialise out of thin air, they come from sepcific villages and towns in Turkey and given a generous amount as compensation can go back there and be well off by local standards.

Comparing settlers who have voting rights in the TRNC and can outvote the locals with migrant workers and EU residents in the south who DO NOT VOTE is a non starter.

And once again I am shocked at how easily you accept these foreigners but spare no thought for expatriated TCs who should be the first to receive any benefit from a solution and inducements to return to the island.

[74LB]

The really funny thing is that this is a wildly inaccurate translation of the original poem and there is no equivalent of the "f" word, or anything like it, in the corresponding line of original Turkish version.

But the strange thing is you never said it was a wildly inaccurate translation at the time we debated the poem (nor has another English-speaking Turk subsequently).

You went as far as praising it for conveying the atmosphere well, and calling for genocide.

I understand literal translations are very difficult, especially with poems. So what you initially said matters, whether it is 100% accurate word for word or not!

I beg to differ. I said that the translation, if inaccurate, captured the spirit of the poem well. Line two of verse four happens to have been very badly translated.

Well Tim, leaving semantics aside, we do not differ ....

Sadly it conveys the spirit of the poem very well, even if there are some innacuracies.

If it conveys the spirit or atmosphere that is accurate for poetry ... word for word is not obligatory since it is not a scientific recipe.

Hopefully you will believe Tim's translation when he makes it.

I have read the thing and am sickened to the core. This is a eulogy to genocide, for ******'s sake.

Apologies to Zan for diverting away from his travels, but I just need to answer the above post.

Oracle - you have taken my quote out of context as that is not the translation I was after.
I still have serious reservations this poem was was published on the 18th July 74 as, and I mentioned this before, the headline and the content do make sense.

[Sotos]

And once again I am shocked at how easily you accept these foreigners but spare no thought for expatriated TCs who should be the first to receive any benefit from a solution and inducements to return to the island.

And no thought at all for the Cypriots that the barbarians forced out of their homes and properties so they can give them to the settlers. The Settlers are in Cyprus because of the EXPANSIONISM of Turkey against Cyprus. The "TCs" are in Cyprus for the same reason. They are just Settlers that they were send earlier to take our lands. The Cyprus Problem is the problem of EXPANSIONISM of Turks against our island. If it wasn't for the expansionism and aggression of Turks there would be no Turks in Cyprus and no problems. The Turks invade Cyprus, kill Cypriots, steal our lands and give them to settlers. This is the problem of Cyprus!

[Nikitas]

Sotos,

TCs say that they are the weaker side and need special conditions to survive on Cyprus, well, let us provide them but only for TCs.

Taking your thinking to its logical conclusion we must drive all non GCs from the island, and that is simply not going to happen.

[pantheman]

LENA,

no such apologies to ZANZIBAR are necessary. He makes no apology for slagging off anything GC and likes to play with words to suit his own purpose.

This whole letters from the North bulshit is just another propoganda scheme.

If he wanted , he was going to have his holiday with his family in peace and say nothing. When he got home he could then write his shit.

But oh, no, not Zanazibar, he wants us to feel sorry for him everyday of his sorry arse trip.

Zan, do us all a favour mate, fuck off, have you holiday and leave the words for another time. Moron.

[Sotos]

Sotos,

TCs say that they are the weaker side and need special conditions to survive on Cyprus, well, let us provide them but only for TCs.

Taking your thinking to its logical conclusion we must drive all non GCs from the island, and that is simply not going to happen.

Nikitas in Cyprus we have many other minorities and many foreigners. NO PROBLEM with them because they respect the people of Cyprus. The Turks want to push out the native people from their lands and EXPAND against us. And by us I mean all Cypriots not just GCs. Didn't they also take Maronite villages and places that Armenian Cypriots used to live? This is what they keep doing. Invade, kill, steal our lands, give them to Turks they bring here. Do you know anybody else that is doing this in Cyprus? Before I was thinking that "TCs" are Cypriots. But now I realize they are just invader Settlers that are in Cyprus for some generations. This is why they like the new Settlers so much! Because they are the same thing! Don't they actually call these new Settlers as "Cypriots" already? What more proof you want that actually non of them is Cypriot?