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[The Cypriot]

So the leaders have agreed to start talking, with any resulting peace plan once more put to a referendum on both sides (of the current divide).

What if this time the vast majority of Cypriots, taken as a whole, accept the peace plan but it's nevertheless rejected in the north by, say, a small majority? Can the will for unity of the vast majority of the Cypriot people realistically be denied them?

And can all those Cypriots in the north who voted for integration with the rest of Cyprus, Europe and the world, be denied that right (unless they moved south or away from the island)?

And what if there's an overall 'No' vote from the north but most Cypriot nationals there actually accepted the plan? What if the 'No' comes mostly from imported citizens from Turkey – entitled to vote by virtue of a 'TRNC' citizenship, unrecognised by the recognised government of Cyprus? Could true Cypriots on both sides accept such a result?

And, in any event, on what basis are these unrecognised citizens entitled to vote in the first place? Has this been agreed by the government of Cyprus? And what solution would need to be negotiated to secure an accommodation from such citizens? And how would this be in accordance with a solution 'by Cypriots, for Cypriots'?

[Filitsa]

So the leaders have agreed to start talking, with any resulting peace plan once more put to a referendum on both sides (of the current divide).

What if this time the vast majority of Cypriots, taken as a whole, accept the peace plan but it's nevertheless rejected in the north by, say, a small majority? Can the will for unity of the vast majority of the Cypriot people realistically be denied them?

And can all those Cypriots in the north who voted for integration with the rest of Cyprus, Europe and the world, be denied that right (unless they moved south or away from the island)?

And what if there's an overall 'No' vote from the north but most Cypriot nationals there actually accepted the plan? What if the 'No' comes mostly from imported citizens from Turkey – entitled to vote by virtue of a 'TRNC' citizenship, unrecognised by the recognised government of Cyprus? Could true Cypriots on both sides accept such a result?

And, in any event, on what basis are these unrecognised citizens entitled to vote in the first place? Has this been agreed by the government of Cyprus? And what solution would need to be negotiated to secure an accommodation from such citizens? And how would this be in accordance with a solution 'by Cypriots, for Cypriots'?

What were the criteria when the "Annan Plan" was put to a referendum?

[Piratis]

Can the will for unity of the vast majority of the Cypriot people realistically be denied them?

And when was the will of the vast majority of Cypriots ever respected?

The Cyprus problem exists exactly because the democratic will of the Cypriot people has never been respected by those foreign powers that want to impose their rule over us.

In fact any "peace plan" will not be a result of the will of Cypriots, but a result of force and blackmail by Turkey.

[paliometoxo]

"peace" plan turkey wanting two states and a recognised TRNC, turkey are going to keep pushing for exactly that before 2009 so they can also join eu...

[Viewpoint]

We have just as much right to reject a plan we do not feel is right for us, just like you did with the AP.

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

We have just as much right to reject a plan we do not feel is right for us, just like you did with the AP.

Which is very predicatable. You will probably reject the fairest plan, cry victim and push for recognition of your stolen state.

[Viewpoint]

Maybe now you are aware that there are 2 sides that have to agree to any new agreement, we to just like yourselves have the right to say no if we feel the plan is one sided or does not serve our best interests.

[iceman]

As Sener Levent highlighted in his article today,unless the TC voters are only real TC's (pre 74 TC's) and not settlers,only a result Turkey desires will come out!!

and i doubt this will be in favour of real TC's.

[Piratis]

As Sener Levent highlighted in his article today,unless the TC voters are only real TC's (pre 74 TC's) and not settlers,only a result Turkey desires will come out!!

and i doubt this will be in favour of real TC's.

The Settlers would be useful to Turkey only if the TC leadership decided to go against the wishes of Ankara, and this is something I don't see happening.

Talat, who is fully controlled by Ankara, will not agree for anything not pre-approved by Turkey. Therefore the scenario where Turkey will have to use its settlers in order to reject a plan that is accepted by the TC leadership is extremely remote.

The Settlers affect the decisions of the TC community but they are not an important factor. The important factors that give Turkey the total control over the TC community are:

1) That TCs where given very high expectations as to what is that they deserve in terms of land and power share. The TC leadership knows full well that all these unfair demands that they have can not be fulfilled without the direct brute force applied by Turkey. So the TCs leadership needs Turkey in order to have any hopes to deliver to TCs the promises they were given.

2) In the unlikely event that the TC leadership has a revelation and understands that it would be better for themselves to drop their unfair demands that will never come true, and instead agree for a fair solution with the Greek Cypriots that will benefit Cyprus as a whole, Turkey maintains 40.000 troops in Cyprus in order to be able to fully control the TCs. Basically there is one fully armed Turkish soldier for each TC male. This is the sole reason why such a large number of Turkish troops are in Cyprus. Even if the Turkish troops on the island were reduced to 5000 or even less, with Turkey just 6 minutes away and under the current balance of power it is crystal clear that RoC would not attempt to liberate the north via a military operation. Those 40.000 are needed there to be an imposing force on the TC leadership and remind them who is the boss in the occupied part of Cyprus.

[humanist]

VP

We have just as much right to reject a plan we do not feel is right for us, just like you did with the AP.

You have a very valid point.

As does iceman in his statement about TC vs settler votes. Perhaps on that one only Cypriots who were over a certain age in 74 can vote. Then again those were the people that contributed to the current situation, the problem just snow balls.