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Postby Kikapu » Sun Aug 03, 2008 6:37 pm

First of all, welcome to the Cyprus Forum Cem.

Cem wrote: "is to offer the settlers a sum of money to go back to Turkey"..

And who is going to do that ? TRNC govt or Turkey or EU ?..
TRNC economy is in ruins..the Soyer Mafia is not likely to pay the monthly salaries of public servants. On the other hand, Turkey badly needs 52$ billion to pay off her debts..


If a settlement can be reached, it can be organized to have a "donation summit" for the Cyprus cause by the Europeans, Middle easterners, as well as the USA. The RoC can also do all she can to help, even though the settlers are Turkeys problem to deal with, but if others can help, and they will, is one way of getting the money.


"and promise to help Turkey to get into the EU".

Identical question as above.. Who will make this promise ? The RoC which is nothing but a tiny bit of drop in the E.U ocean ? Or Greece which is one of the less important members of EU ?


Sorry to disagree with you Cem, but in this case, "Size Does Not Matter"!! :lol:

The RoC has proven to the EU this year with her veto vote over Kosovo, that she can stand all alone if she has to, to veto Turkey's admission into the EU, if Turkey ever came close to be granted such privilege. Even if Turkey did not make it and wanted to settle for "second option" privileged membership, where other EU members will vote for it, the RoC will not give Turkey anything, unless the Cyprus problem was resolved. The biggest obstacle for Turkey and Denktash has been the EU entry for Cyprus. Before 2004, Cyprus problem was solved in 1974, as they claimed. Well, not quiet just yet, as we go for a settlement now.


"You will find all those settlers with a "fake" TC citizenship's will sell out the rest of the settlers and vote YES in the referendum".

They already did this during AP referandum because their motherland govt instructed them so. Now, if this time motherland instructs them to vote the opposite way, they will certainly do so in spite of a fair and mutually agreeable solution between GC and TC.


I was under the impression, that the "fake" TC's voted NO along with Denktash last time around. But then again, it was in Turkey's interest to get the disguised partition Annan Plan through, so the "fakes" could have voted YES as you have suggested, even if it meant some settlers had to vacate the stolen GC properties. They even took Denktash out, just to make believe to the GC's, that this was a good plan for them. :lol:

I suppose every average person in RoC knows that regardless of whatever Turkey will do , she can never be a member of E.U. The carpet-salesman type of politician Erdogan knows this as well.


Turkey has an image problem, and that is, they do not want to admit that they are a Muslim country with Islamic roots and that they belong along all the other non democratic countries in the Middle East. Turkey however, wants to be in the West, and the EU is the goal. They may not get to it totally, but perhaps close enough to "rub elbows" with those that are , in the hopes, that they will be accepted sooner or later. You may be right in what you say, then again, Turkey is not about to give up what ever small chances she has to become a member at some point, even maybe after a probationary period of several years as a "privileged member". Unfortunately for Turkey, any advancement towards the EU at any level, the road for Turkey will run right across the RoC, which she will have to pay her dues to be able to get through the "gate" to head to the EU Club. The dues are giving back the northern part of Cyprus back to Cypriots and take most of her people back to Turkey.
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:03 pm

Cem wrote:If the issue is really about the turkish settler's votes during a referandum, then why nobody -particularly the GCs- did not object to their voting for the Annan Plan ?
Just because of the obvious and certain "Oxi" that would come out from the South so that they didn't give a damn?
Then wouldn't be a double standard on behalf of the GC to overlook settler's voting last time but requesting their exclusion this time ?
Even though the GC had felt that AP would end up in thrashcan, they should have at least made their positions clearer at the outset.


Cem, for your information, the GC side -both before and after the referendum, did raise the issue of allowing the settlers to vote and did complain to the UN SG about his decision to accept their participation in the outcome of the referendum!
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:16 pm

Cem wrote:"is to offer the settlers a sum of money to go back to Turkey"..

And who is going to do that ? TRNC govt or Turkey or EU ?..
TRNC economy is in ruins..the Soyer Mafia is not likely to pay the monthly salaries of public servants. On the other hand, Turkey badly needs 52$ billion to pay off her debts..
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Cem, Turkey may easily save the $52 billion and still find money to compensate its own citizens to be repatriated from Cyprus, by cancelling out the purchase of the 5 submarines it ordered from Germany, the 1,000 leopards, and the 100 F-16's, which are all scheduled purchases for the next 10 years. Alternatively, 75 million Turks may as well engage themselves in the “activity” of “selling arse" to each other, until they eventually manage to raise up all the money that is needed!
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Postby miltiades » Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:05 pm

Kikapu wrote:First of all, welcome to the Cyprus Forum Cem.

Cem wrote: "is to offer the settlers a sum of money to go back to Turkey"..

And who is going to do that ? TRNC govt or Turkey or EU ?..
TRNC economy is in ruins..the Soyer Mafia is not likely to pay the monthly salaries of public servants. On the other hand, Turkey badly needs 52$ billion to pay off her debts..


If a settlement can be reached, it can be organized to have a "donation summit" for the Cyprus cause by the Europeans, Middle easterners, as well as the USA. The RoC can also do all she can to help, even though the settlers are Turkeys problem to deal with, but if others can help, and they will, is one way of getting the money.


"and promise to help Turkey to get into the EU".

Identical question as above.. Who will make this promise ? The RoC which is nothing but a tiny bit of drop in the E.U ocean ? Or Greece which is one of the less important members of EU ?


Sorry to disagree with you Cem, but in this case, "Size Does Not Matter"!! :lol:

The RoC has proven to the EU this year with her veto vote over Kosovo, that she can stand all alone if she has to, to veto Turkey's admission into the EU, if Turkey ever came close to be granted such privilege. Even if Turkey did not make it and wanted to settle for "second option" privileged membership, where other EU members will vote for it, the RoC will not give Turkey anything, unless the Cyprus problem was resolved. The biggest obstacle for Turkey and Denktash has been the EU entry for Cyprus. Before 2004, Cyprus problem was solved in 1974, as they claimed. Well, not quiet just yet, as we go for a settlement now.


"You will find all those settlers with a "fake" TC citizenship's will sell out the rest of the settlers and vote YES in the referendum".

They already did this during AP referandum because their motherland govt instructed them so. Now, if this time motherland instructs them to vote the opposite way, they will certainly do so in spite of a fair and mutually agreeable solution between GC and TC.


I was under the impression, that the "fake" TC's voted NO along with Denktash last time around. But then again, it was in Turkey's interest to get the disguised partition Annan Plan through, so the "fakes" could have voted YES as you have suggested, even if it meant some settlers had to vacate the stolen GC properties. They even took Denktash out, just to make believe to the GC's, that this was a good plan for them. :lol:

I suppose every average person in RoC knows that regardless of whatever Turkey will do , she can never be a member of E.U. The carpet-salesman type of politician Erdogan knows this as well.


Turkey has an image problem, and that is, they do not want to admit that they are a Muslim country with Islamic roots and that they belong along all the other non democratic countries in the Middle East. Turkey however, wants to be in the West, and the EU is the goal. They may not get to it totally, but perhaps close enough to "rub elbows" with those that are , in the hopes, that they will be accepted sooner or later. You may be right in what you say, then again, Turkey is not about to give up what ever small chances she has to become a member at some point, even maybe after a probationary period of several years as a "privileged member". Unfortunately for Turkey, any advancement towards the EU at any level, the road for Turkey will run right across the RoC, which she will have to pay her dues to be able to get through the "gate" to head to the EU Club. The dues are giving back the northern part of Cyprus back to Cypriots and take most of her people back to Turkey.

Excellent post Kikapu .
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Gossip is the referendum will be held next June.
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Postby humanist » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:36 pm

Thanks for the little of info above VP better get that voting book ready ;) am coming to Cyprus in June 2009 yeaeeeeeeeeee :):):) whose a happy cookie?
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Postby CBBB » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:18 pm

I am not being sarcastic, I have found this to be in the main an excellent exchange of views.

This is much more helpful and realistic than all the totally antagonistic rhetoric that we normally get here.
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Postby zan » Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:53 pm

Here ıs one referendom.....


We the TCs vote on whether we dısolve the TRNC and move straıght ınto the 'RoC'...


YES or NO!!!!! sımple questıon...Please answer ıt.
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Postby humanist » Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:52 am

Then what the hell was the last 34 years all about? and why did my uncle have to be killed to get to that point Zan? :roll: :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Aug 08, 2008 6:44 pm

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