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Do you regard yourself as Greek either ethnically or culturally?

Yes
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58%
No
14
42%
 
Total votes : 33

Postby michalis5354 » Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:17 am

Cypriots existed before the Greeks and Turks arrived to the island so stop all this nonsense of trying to turn the island to a Greek province. There was not a proper referendum back in the 1960s to examine the real will of people . The choice was between either Enosis or British Rule. This choice was misleading as it had ommited the option of Independence this was another legitimate option that was left out.

If there is a referendum today how many Cypriots will choose to become a part of Greece ?
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Postby Simon » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:04 pm

It is quite interesting that if a similar Poll was done asking Turkish Cypriots the equivalent, almost all, if not all, would say that they are Turkish. I also believe that almost all Greek Cypriots would have said they are Greek pre-1974. Therefore, it seems clear that only after the 1974 invasion, and the inaction by Greece, that there has been a growth in this "neo-Cypriot" ideology. Consequently, it is quite clearly bitterness and resentment that has spawned this sentiment.

Michalis, Cyprus has been a Greek dominated (at the very least culturally) island since 1200 BC. The Greek Cypriots today are not trying to create Hellenism on this island which did not previously exist, but preserve it. You on the other hand, are craftily trying to deny that Cyprus is or was ever Greek, thus in effect trying to alter history! It is clear to any person who has even the most basic skills of perception, that the will of the GCs back in the 1950s was enosis; independence was not an option because no GCs were interested in it! Indeed, when we were given independence, the prevailing view (including that of Makarios) was that it was a stepping stone to enosis. It was considered by us as a compromise! So please do not try to alter history to suit your own arguments. Your idea of "Cypriotism" is a new one that was only adopted by most post-1974.
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:21 pm

... i won't vote simon, but to satisfy your interest in our perspectives, my ethnic origins are Cypriot, my nationality is Canadian, and other people identify me as a Greek.

As Kifeas said, in the broad sense, if you are Occidental, then you are a Greek. The Hellenes of this age have this to be proud of, although being Greek in the strictest definition, today identifies people to the State of Greece. Therefore in any sense I may be Greek, but I am not Greek, and by the way never wanted to be.
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Postby alexISS » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:39 am

michalis5354 wrote:Cypriots existed before the Greeks and Turks arrived to the island so stop all this nonsense of trying to turn the island to a Greek province. There was not a proper referendum back in the 1960s to examine the real will of people . The choice was between either Enosis or British Rule. This choice was misleading as it had ommited the option of Independence this was another legitimate option that was left out.

If there is a referendum today how many Cypriots will choose to become a part of Greece ?


The few thousands of natives that lived in Cyprus before the Greeks arrived were assimilated, both genetically and culturally, thousands of years ago. The same happened in Greece, there were many proto-Greek tribes that got assimilated by the descending Greeks. In fact, genetically speaking, there's a much, much greater chance that the average Cypriot is closer to an Arab than a proto-Cypriot from Chirokitia! Culturally, however, Cyprus is unquestionably Greek. There are of course many local unique elements, but that's the case with every Greek island
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:09 am

According to Vasilis Rapaelides the present people living in Greece are mere barbarians that learned Greek. I have no reason to doubt him.
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Postby alexISS » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:16 am

Bananiot wrote:According to Vasilis Rapaelides the present people living in Greece are mere barbarians that learned Greek. I have no reason to doubt him.


Vasilis Raphaelides used to eat like a barbarian so he must know. In any case, if Greeks are barbarians who learned Greek, so are the Cypriots because there's no difference between the two
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Postby Oracle » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:22 am

Indeed we are all Noble Savages .... 8)

Welcome back AlexISS :D
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Postby alexISS » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:27 am

Oracle wrote:Indeed we are all Noble Savages .... 8)

Welcome back AlexISS :D


Hi Oracle,

is it true that all the representatives of the Chirokitian community have left the forum?
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Postby Oracle » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:36 am

alexISS wrote:
Oracle wrote:Indeed we are all Noble Savages .... 8)

Welcome back AlexISS :D


Hi Oracle,

is it true that all the representatives of the Chirokitian community have left the forum?


There is another forum better suited for the lack of discipline and civility characterized by a true Chirokitian which is being colonised by misfit settlers :lol:
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Postby alexISS » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:41 am

Oracle wrote:
alexISS wrote:
Oracle wrote:Indeed we are all Noble Savages .... 8)

Welcome back AlexISS :D


Hi Oracle,

is it true that all the representatives of the Chirokitian community have left the forum?


There is another forum better suited for the lack of discipline and civility characterized by a true Chirokitian which is being colonised by misfit settlers :lol:


I'm sure such a forum could only exist if it was created by the Chirokitian himself, I would think twice before joining :wink:
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