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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:38 pm

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I have another objection to the death penalty, but it do not think it would apply to Cyprus. It is more likely to apply to America and countries like Iran. It has to do with unintentionally teaching the youth already at risk of being a violent criminal to become more callous towards death and value life less.


Actually Novus ... I find that aspect one of the saddest about our world. :(

The way youth is brainwashed by older statesmen.

In America it manifests in school shoot-outs. In Islamic countries it manifests as suicide bombers. In African countries it manifests as child-soldiers ...

When will we stop abusing our new generations ......
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:58 pm

Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:[
I have another objection to the death penalty, but it do not think it would apply to Cyprus. It is more likely to apply to America and countries like Iran. It has to do with unintentionally teaching the youth already at risk of being a violent criminal to become more callous towards death and value life less.


Actually Novus ... I find that aspect one of the saddest about our world. :(

The way youth is brainwashed by older statesmen.

In America it manifests in school shoot-outs. In Islamic countries it manifests as suicide bombers. In African countries it manifests as child-soldiers ...

When will we stop abusing our new generations ......



Stop brain-washing them to begin with. I hope your son becomes a chess-champion - of Cyprus. :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:05 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:[
I have another objection to the death penalty, but it do not think it would apply to Cyprus. It is more likely to apply to America and countries like Iran. It has to do with unintentionally teaching the youth already at risk of being a violent criminal to become more callous towards death and value life less.


Actually Novus ... I find that aspect one of the saddest about our world. :(

The way youth is brainwashed by older statesmen.

In America it manifests in school shoot-outs. In Islamic countries it manifests as suicide bombers. In African countries it manifests as child-soldiers ...

When will we stop abusing our new generations ......



Stop brain-washing them to begin with. I hope your son becomes a chess-champion - of Cyprus. :wink:


Deniz .... the freedom my son has had :roll: ... he is so immune to influence now .... everyone wonders how I can have any control over him.

Regarding the Chess .... too late now! :(

He beats me every time ......
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:09 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:[
I have another objection to the death penalty, but it do not think it would apply to Cyprus. It is more likely to apply to America and countries like Iran. It has to do with unintentionally teaching the youth already at risk of being a violent criminal to become more callous towards death and value life less.


Actually Novus ... I find that aspect one of the saddest about our world. :(

The way youth is brainwashed by older statesmen.

In America it manifests in school shoot-outs. In Islamic countries it manifests as suicide bombers. In African countries it manifests as child-soldiers ...

When will we stop abusing our new generations ......



Stop brain-washing them to begin with. I hope your son becomes a chess-champion - of Cyprus. :wink:


Deniz .... the freedom my son has had :roll: ... he is so immune to influence now .... everyone wonders how I can have any control over him.

Regarding the Chess .... too late now! :(

He beats me every time ......



Must be pretty fast games, with all your forum hopping :wink:
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Postby Oracle » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:12 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:[
I have another objection to the death penalty, but it do not think it would apply to Cyprus. It is more likely to apply to America and countries like Iran. It has to do with unintentionally teaching the youth already at risk of being a violent criminal to become more callous towards death and value life less.


Actually Novus ... I find that aspect one of the saddest about our world. :(

The way youth is brainwashed by older statesmen.

In America it manifests in school shoot-outs. In Islamic countries it manifests as suicide bombers. In African countries it manifests as child-soldiers ...

When will we stop abusing our new generations ......



Stop brain-washing them to begin with. I hope your son becomes a chess-champion - of Cyprus. :wink:


Deniz .... the freedom my son has had :roll: ... he is so immune to influence now .... everyone wonders how I can have any control over him.

Regarding the Chess .... too late now! :(

He beats me every time ......



Must be pretty fast games, with all your forum hopping :wink:


I can manage 3 Chess Games and 4 forums at the same time .... :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:37 pm

Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Novus wrote:[
I have another objection to the death penalty, but it do not think it would apply to Cyprus. It is more likely to apply to America and countries like Iran. It has to do with unintentionally teaching the youth already at risk of being a violent criminal to become more callous towards death and value life less.


Actually Novus ... I find that aspect one of the saddest about our world. :(

The way youth is brainwashed by older statesmen.

In America it manifests in school shoot-outs. In Islamic countries it manifests as suicide bombers. In African countries it manifests as child-soldiers ...

When will we stop abusing our new generations ......



Stop brain-washing them to begin with. I hope your son becomes a chess-champion - of Cyprus. :wink:


Deniz .... the freedom my son has had :roll: ... he is so immune to influence now .... everyone wonders how I can have any control over him.

Regarding the Chess .... too late now! :(

He beats me every time ......



Must be pretty fast games, with all your forum hopping :wink:


I can manage 3 Chess Games and 4 forums at the same time .... :lol:



The mother of all 'multitaskers'. :lol:
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Postby RichardB » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:19 pm

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Oracle wrote:Clearly it is either not operating as an effective deterrent or as I suspect it is an abused form of punishment.

Iran had over 300 executions in 2007 ... that is more than China and certainly more than the USA.

I don't know how many of those 30 are for illegal relationships, but it could even be as many as 28 (the article does not say).

Even hoping they had a trial does not make it easier to accept. Can you imagine the sort of trial a woman accused of adultery would receive?


It is well proven that excecution is not an effective detterent for a crime

That is also disregarding the fact that a miscariage of justice could have been made

You only have to think of the Ian Brady case in the UK

Excecutionis not the answer

Good evening O :(


I think you have the wrong name there Richard.

Ian Brady is the Yorkshire Moors murderer who, along with Myra Hindley tortured, sexually assaulted and then murdered 4 children.

If ever there was a case for the re-introduction of the death penalty they were a case in point. Or maybe they should just have let the parents loose on them.


Feisty apologies for using the brady - Hindley case as an example

In hindsight I could and probably should have used a different one

What I was implying in this scenario is that if Brady had been hung directly after his trial and guilty verdict then there would be no chance of the other suffering parents (and without researching the case I can not name names of the top of my head) Finding out the fate of thier children

Again it was not a paticularly good example

But I dont belive in the death penalty ...Full stop.
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Postby pantheman » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:37 am

RichardB,

I have to disagre with you there. The death penalty should be issued based on the crime. I mean serious crime. I think it gives closure to the victims families.

Imagine (god forbid) some sick bastard torturing, raping, killing a child of yours, or you wife, of family member. Would you be happy for him to recieve housing, 3 squares a day, exercise, weekend licences, early release?

Fuck no mate, and anyone who says othewise is a lying git.

These people should either be executed or as feisty says left to the families to deal with.

Now you tell me you disagree with this form of punishment.
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Postby RichardB » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:44 am

Morning pantherman

You have your thoughts on the subject and I respect that.

My reasons for being against the death penalty is that element of doubt that the jury may have got it wrong.

I know there are 'cut and dry' cases but there is nothing in the law which differeciates between these cases and the ones with just that slight element of doubt.

I also think that a quick clean death is too good for these people they should be made to suffer long and hard

as I said this is my view and I respect others views whilst not agreeing with them

Off to work now

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Postby Novus » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:35 pm

pantheman wrote:RichardB,

I have to disagre with you there. The death penalty should be issued based on the crime. I mean serious crime. I think it gives closure to the victims families.

Imagine (god forbid) some sick bastard torturing, raping, killing a child of yours, or you wife, of family member. Would you be happy for him to recieve housing, 3 squares a day, exercise, weekend licences, early release?

Fuck no mate, and anyone who says othewise is a lying git.

These people should either be executed or as feisty says left to the families to deal with.

Now you tell me you disagree with this form of punishment.
I know there are some Amish that would wholeheartedly disagree with you.

Plain and simple, some families have a religion or a belief that is counter to the idea of blood revenge killing and will forgive the "sinner".

If you think the person should be executed for the family, then do you think a person should be spared because the victim's family wishes?......I mean if it is done for the family, then the family gets to show mercy too, do they not?
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