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[Magnus]

Same question posed to you. What do paper cranes years later have to do with if it was necessary to drop the bomb on Hiroshima?

Japan during the war showed their ability to be brutal and have no regard for civillian lives. If we had to have invaded, that same little girl might have starved to death anyway because her government would have been feeding the army with her food instead of her.

People think of Japan as an innocent peaceful society and today they are, but the truth is just 70 years ago they were still brutally medieval.

Ah, I think you have misunderstood the reason why I posted that story.

It wasn't to pass any judgement on what happened. The story of Sadako is known worldwide as an inspirational story of peace. The whole point is to illustrate that it was one of the darkest chapters in human history and we should all do our best to avoid it in future. It shows us what can happen and how destructive we can be as humans, not just as one nation or another.

The people that send the cranes aren't making a statement about American foreign policy. They're supporting peace. Like it says on the statue: "This is our cry, This is our prayer, Peace in the world".

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted my post, but if you look at it again you'll see that I didn't make any statement about the war or the bombs. I just wanted to mention the story which I think is inspirational to all of us.

[jenfoxy]

Educated people know what really happened in Cyprus in 1974,Greek people like to talk about how they feel and unfortunatly Turkish people keep quiet. The truth of why Turkey invaded was to save people from being killed and burried alive, I went to Northern cyorus and saw mass graves of women and children, Who had been shot and thrown into ditches, Not may people know about this, If this happened to he greek Cpyriots, The whole world would know about it. Greeks were killing Greeks and even killed their own president. The Turiksh government were gracous enough to give the Greek cypriots most of the island, If the greeks had won their cruel misssion to eliminate all the Tulkish cypriots ,through greed of owning land they would never have shared the Island. The earth belongs to everyone and every animal that existrs, Its small minded men that want to own land!!! We are all the same, Why kill eachother, Only unevolved people kill. The truth provails and the truth of the war in Cpyrus was because Greek terrorists wanted the island and intended to kill the inhabitabts on it, Greek or Turkish, they didnt care, They are the evil people not the turkish army who went to save people! Ps I am not Turkish. But i do read History books. It's the same as what Yougoslavian people did...

[Novus]

Same question posed to you. What do paper cranes years later have to do with if it was necessary to drop the bomb on Hiroshima?

Japan during the war showed their ability to be brutal and have no regard for civillian lives. If we had to have invaded, that same little girl might have starved to death anyway because her government would have been feeding the army with her food instead of her.

People think of Japan as an innocent peaceful society and today they are, but the truth is just 70 years ago they were still brutally medieval.

Ah, I think you have misunderstood the reason why I posted that story.

It wasn't to pass any judgement on what happened. The story of Sadako is known worldwide as an inspirational story of peace. The whole point is to illustrate that it was one of the darkest chapters in human history and we should all do our best to avoid it in future. It shows us what can happen and how destructive we can be as humans, not just as one nation or another.

The people that send the cranes aren't making a statement about American foreign policy. They're supporting peace. Like it says on the statue: "This is our cry, This is our prayer, Peace in the world".

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted my post, but if you look at it again you'll see that I didn't make any statement about the war or the bombs. I just wanted to mention the story which I think is inspirational to all of us.

My apologies.

[Magnus]

Educated people know what really happened in Cyprus in 1974,Greek people like to talk about how they feel and unfortunatly Turkish people keep quiet. The truth of why Turkey invaded was to save people from being killed and burried alive, I went to Northern cyorus and saw mass graves of women and children, Who had been shot and thrown into ditches, Not may people know about this, If this happened to he greek Cpyriots, The whole world would know about it. Greeks were killing Greeks and even killed their own president. The Turiksh government were gracous enough to give the Greek cypriots most of the island, If the greeks had won their cruel misssion to eliminate all the Tulkish cypriots ,through greed of owning land they would never have shared the Island. The earth belongs to everyone and every animal that existrs, Its small minded men that want to own land!!! We are all the same, Why kill eachother, Only unevolved people kill. The truth provails and the truth of the war in Cpyrus was because Greek terrorists wanted the island and intended to kill the inhabitabts on it, Greek or Turkish, they didnt care, They are the evil people not the turkish army who went to save people! Ps I am not Turkish. But i do read History books. It's the same as what Yougoslavian people did...

You appear to have posted this in the wrong thread. This thread is about Hiroshima. If you have a look in the 'Cyprus Problem' section you may find a suitable thread to post your views or perhaps start your own.

As a general rule, you might find it helpful to post supportive evidence of your views on political threads, such as the titles of your history books and/or web links.

[Magnus]

My apologies.

Absolutely no need to apologise, it's just a problem with writing things on the forum rather than talking to people face-to-face. It's nobody's fault, just a misunderstanding.

Personally I think it's great when members discuss history. Like you said previously, 'he that ignores History is doomed to repeat it'.

[Filitsa]

Educated people know what really happened in Cyprus in 1974,Greek people like to talk about how they feel and unfortunatly Turkish people keep quiet. The truth of why Turkey invaded was to save people from being killed and burried alive, I went to Northern cyorus and saw mass graves of women and children, Who had been shot and thrown into ditches, Not may people know about this, If this happened to he greek Cpyriots, The whole world would know about it. Greeks were killing Greeks and even killed their own president. The Turiksh government were gracous enough to give the Greek cypriots most of the island, If the greeks had won their cruel misssion to eliminate all the Tulkish cypriots ,through greed of owning land they would never have shared the Island. The earth belongs to everyone and every animal that existrs, Its small minded men that want to own land!!! We are all the same, Why kill eachother, Only unevolved people kill. The truth provails and the truth of the war in Cpyrus was because Greek terrorists wanted the island and intended to kill the inhabitabts on it, Greek or Turkish, they didnt care, They are the evil people not the turkish army who went to save people! Ps I am not Turkish. But i do read History books. It's the same as what Yougoslavian people did...

Jenfoxy, your opinion is appreciated, but not only is it misplaced, it is a gross oversimplification of a very complex issue. If it were truly this simple, then perhaps the Cyprus problem would be no more. I suggest that you educate yourself further, so that you too may be placed in the category of the "educated people" of whom you speak. You might begin with researching the necessity of the 43,000 Turkish troops that remain on the island 34 years later, particularly now that Cyprus is an EU state.

[GorillaGal]

why debate something that already happened? nothing can be done to take it back. there will always be two sides to this story. the main thing is that we accept it, respect it, and never do it again!

"Those that do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

i didn't say forget it. i said accept it, respect it, and never do it again. just the point of discussing whether it it was an act of peace or a war crime is kind of moot. can't change things now. only prevent them from happeneing again.

[Oracle]

Ever hear the story about the Rape of Nanking?

Actually no, what's it about?

It was attrocities committed by the Japanese army and apllauded by the Japanese populace that was so horrific even the Nazi witness from Germany was horrified.
The rapes of women, infanticide, rapes of babies (not an exageration) and mass killings of civllians numbered into the hundreds of thousands and maybe half a million....and this is just one city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_nanking

This link has very gruesome and disturbing pictures. Don't open if you are squeamish.
http://www.centurychina.com/wiihist/njmassac/rape.htm

Thanks for this, it was an interesting read but could you please explain how it relates to the Hiroshima bomb? I can see the reference to Japanese expansionism and atrocities, but I can't understand how a conflict between Japan and China affects the USA.

Same question posed to you. What do paper cranes years later have to do with if it was necessary to drop the bomb on Hiroshima?

Japan during the war showed their ability to be brutal and have no regard for civillian lives. If we had to have invaded, that same little girl might have starved to death anyway because her government would have been feeding the army with her food instead of her.

People think of Japan as an innocent peaceful society and today they are, but the truth is just 70 years ago they were still brutally medieval.

How much was known about these massacres before the H & N Bombings?

I guess if the bombs were made for the Germans, it wasn't through some act of retribution for these Japanese atrocities that heightened the need for their development.

Still seems like the Bombs were dropped as an afterthought. As though there was a need to have a play with these otherwise redundant toys .... having invested so much time and money into developing them.

If the Japanese atrocities were appreciated by the US before the Bombs were dropped, there may be reason for considering mitigation. But I don't think the massacres were considered significant in the decision to bomb Japan.

The first I heard of this major massacre (though frankly did not realise the extent of the horrifying nature of the specific crimes, till your post) was when Japan and China had a dispute a few years back. Japan was requested to, but refused to, apologise for these war crimes.

[jenfoxy]

Hello Filitsa

ThankYou for your comment regarding the Cyprus war in 1974. The turkish soldiers need to remain on the island to protect the Turkish Cypriot people from being killed again, Greek people used to kill off familys on the quiet,without the rest of the world knowing. Im speaking the truth now. I think you also know why the solidiers are their,Purely for protection of people...

[Novus]

why debate something that already happened? nothing can be done to take it back. there will always be two sides to this story. the main thing is that we accept it, respect it, and never do it again!

"Those that do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

i didn't say forget it. i said accept it, respect it, and never do it again. just the point of discussing whether it it was an act of peace or a war crime is kind of moot. can't change things now. only prevent them from happeneing again.

My intent was to point out discussing it is a way to learn more about it so that we can better prevent it in the future. We cannot presume we know everything and do not have to learn more or else there may be a mistake we missed which we may end up repeating.
Discussing things helps us learn as much as possible to understand just why things occured.