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[Big Al]

You are a moron Agios, i didnt threaten anyone with violence, read what i wrote again, secondly YES!!! i would much prefer to remain "at the mercy" of Turkey rather than the mercy of GC's.

[Agios Ionas]

You are a moron Agios, i didnt threaten anyone with violence, read what i wrote again, secondly YES!!! i would much prefer to remain "at the mercy" of Turkey rather than the mercy of GC's.

I'm no more moron than you are. I never said you were threatening anyone with violence. I just said that you're a barbarian showing us your true face. And we all know the common language of barbarians is violence. Always has been always will be.

pick up a gun and fire the first shot

You really seem to like violence since you are so keen to ask for it. You'd really like that wouldn't you? To see some deluded GC Nikos Sampson wannabes talking matters into their own hands by committing violent acts against the TC community. I bet you get a boner just from the thought of Turkish military finding another reason to slay GC civilians and bomb the south with napalm. Dream on racist! The Turkish soldiers will leave thanks to a peaceful solution, not by waging war. I can understand that a Grey Wolf like yourself want to find every excuse possible to take all of Cyprus. Isn't that what you and your likes love to say? "Beware or we'll take the rest!"

You call me a moron, I call you a monster.

[miltiades]

Our friend expatkiwi includes Rauf Denktash as a close personal friend....what do you expect from someone that befriends psychotic fanatics?

Like folk who befriend people like Tassos Papadopoulos, or perhaps Nicos Sampson...?

Let's put things into perspective here. I have had a correspondence relationship with Mr. Denktas. I have never met him, but I have enjoyed communicating with him. He presents me his viewpoint and answers questions that I ask him. That aside, I have met the TRNC representative to Los Angeles (Mr. Mustafagolu), and the previous TRNC representative to Washington DC (Mr. Avci). What they all have said to me makes sense: That Greek Cypriots had no intention to treat Turkish Cypriots on an equal basis, that efforts were made to eliminate the Turkish Cypriot presence, and that in the end, Turkey intervened. These were reactions, not instigations. If you're looking to blame anyone for the problems on Cyprus, then blame the Enosists, and Anti-Turkish paramilitaries first.

As a G/C who , along with the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , some 80% , who supported ENOSIS as the end objective of the liberation struggle , I see absolutely nothing wrong in supporting a position that the majority of Cypriots supported. Let me say , as I have said many times before , that supporting ENOSIS was a natural disposition given that we never in our history had the freedom to choose our own destiny. I DO NOT NOW AND NEITHER DOES THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF G/Cs SUPPORT ENOSIS.
You appear to be utterly blind in recognising that 80% of CYPRIOTS HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND ENOSIS. We had no other motivational spirit but the spirit of ENOSIS. Now we have , we are an independent nation , at least part of our island is , we are a full European member and we are prosperous which is more that one can say about the occupied by Turkey part of Cyprus. The entire world recognises the ROC as the ONLY legitimate authority in Cyprus.
Given the fact that we are now perhaps closer to a solution than ever before its about time that the stupidity, in political terms , that Turkey is exhibiting in her insistence that the ROC is not recognised by her ONLY - BUT WHAT DOES ONE EXPECT FROM A NATION THAT IS DEBATING ENDLESLY THE WEARING OR NOT OF A SCARF !!- and begin to accept that apart from Turkey there are more than 200 nations on this planet or does she perhaps also beleive that just as on Turk is worth 1000 non Turks so does one Turkish nation worth all others ??
As Turkey struggles internally with her own inadequacies , her own ludicrous identity crises then perhaps she ought to realize that she will never be allowed to remain on European ground for ever. As for Mr Plonker BigAl with his bravado talk let him be aware that it is his type that have been the cause of the Cypriot conflict , the fanatics and irresponsible G/Cs and T/Cs with their faces embedded deep up the arses of their respective motherlands. Let these NON CYPRIOTS realise that this island with a history of 10 thousand years belongs to the true Cypriots . They can of course assimilate totaly with their motherlands , easy and cheap just a one way ticket out of this island , my country not theirs.

Take it easy old man, you're telling us that you supported Enosis because at the time you had a natural disposition to it, let me tell you now old man, i, along with thousands of other TC's do not want to live with GC's, be governed by them or have anything to do with them. We would rather become an island belonging to the Republic of Turkey....lets just call it our "natural disposition".
By supporting Enosis you supported the murder of TC civilians and now you want us to live with you??? wake up old man

You are in the minority Boy , most T/Cs want to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large. You and the likes of you ARE NOT Cypriots.
Turkeys occupation of a part of Cyprus will come to an end , Europe and the T/Cs will see to it . You and the rest of foreigners will just have to accept it or go suck Turkeys arse.

[Big Al]

Our friend expatkiwi includes Rauf Denktash as a close personal friend....what do you expect from someone that befriends psychotic fanatics?

Like folk who befriend people like Tassos Papadopoulos, or perhaps Nicos Sampson...?

Let's put things into perspective here. I have had a correspondence relationship with Mr. Denktas. I have never met him, but I have enjoyed communicating with him. He presents me his viewpoint and answers questions that I ask him. That aside, I have met the TRNC representative to Los Angeles (Mr. Mustafagolu), and the previous TRNC representative to Washington DC (Mr. Avci). What they all have said to me makes sense: That Greek Cypriots had no intention to treat Turkish Cypriots on an equal basis, that efforts were made to eliminate the Turkish Cypriot presence, and that in the end, Turkey intervened. These were reactions, not instigations. If you're looking to blame anyone for the problems on Cyprus, then blame the Enosists, and Anti-Turkish paramilitaries first.

As a G/C who , along with the overwhelming majority of Cypriots , some 80% , who supported ENOSIS as the end objective of the liberation struggle , I see absolutely nothing wrong in supporting a position that the majority of Cypriots supported. Let me say , as I have said many times before , that supporting ENOSIS was a natural disposition given that we never in our history had the freedom to choose our own destiny. I DO NOT NOW AND NEITHER DOES THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF G/Cs SUPPORT ENOSIS.
You appear to be utterly blind in recognising that 80% of CYPRIOTS HAD EVERY RIGHT TO DEMAND ENOSIS. We had no other motivational spirit but the spirit of ENOSIS. Now we have , we are an independent nation , at least part of our island is , we are a full European member and we are prosperous which is more that one can say about the occupied by Turkey part of Cyprus. The entire world recognises the ROC as the ONLY legitimate authority in Cyprus.
Given the fact that we are now perhaps closer to a solution than ever before its about time that the stupidity, in political terms , that Turkey is exhibiting in her insistence that the ROC is not recognised by her ONLY - BUT WHAT DOES ONE EXPECT FROM A NATION THAT IS DEBATING ENDLESLY THE WEARING OR NOT OF A SCARF !!- and begin to accept that apart from Turkey there are more than 200 nations on this planet or does she perhaps also beleive that just as on Turk is worth 1000 non Turks so does one Turkish nation worth all others ??
As Turkey struggles internally with her own inadequacies , her own ludicrous identity crises then perhaps she ought to realize that she will never be allowed to remain on European ground for ever. As for Mr Plonker BigAl with his bravado talk let him be aware that it is his type that have been the cause of the Cypriot conflict , the fanatics and irresponsible G/Cs and T/Cs with their faces embedded deep up the arses of their respective motherlands. Let these NON CYPRIOTS realise that this island with a history of 10 thousand years belongs to the true Cypriots . They can of course assimilate totaly with their motherlands , easy and cheap just a one way ticket out of this island , my country not theirs.

Take it easy old man, you're telling us that you supported Enosis because at the time you had a natural disposition to it, let me tell you now old man, i, along with thousands of other TC's do not want to live with GC's, be governed by them or have anything to do with them. We would rather become an island belonging to the Republic of Turkey....lets just call it our "natural disposition".
By supporting Enosis you supported the murder of TC civilians and now you want us to live with you??? wake up old man

You are in the minority Boy , most T/Cs want to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large. You and the likes of you ARE NOT Cypriots.
Turkeys occupation of a part of Cyprus will come to an end , Europe and the T/Cs will see to it . You and the rest of foreigners will just have to accept it or go suck Turkeys arse.

Dont know what world you're living in old man, but most TC's will only accept unification if it means they administer the north (self rule), the turkish migrants stay, turkey maintains some troop presents there and turkey's guarantor power are protected.
I dont see how that translates to TC's "wanting to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large". When both presidents sit down and start to get into the nitty gritty of a plan it will turn to shit, that is unless the GC's accept what the TC's really want.

[Kikapu]

Dont know what world you're living in old man, but most TC's will only accept unification if it means they administer the north (self rule), the turkish migrants stay, turkey maintains some troop presents there and turkey's guarantor power are protected.
I dont see how that translates to TC's "wanting to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large". When both presidents sit down and start to get into the nitty gritty of a plan it will turn to shit, that is unless the GC's accept what the TC's really want.

So what you are saying BigAl is that, what the TC's want from the GC's is what the TC's have today as a illegal "state", but want to get the GC's to make it a legal state. Just what do the GC's get out of this deal BigAl, other than 7% of their own land.??

Let me know when you see some pigs flying over Cyprus BigAl, so that we can all believe in miracles.

[Big Al]

Dont know what world you're living in old man, but most TC's will only accept unification if it means they administer the north (self rule), the turkish migrants stay, turkey maintains some troop presents there and turkey's guarantor power are protected.
I dont see how that translates to TC's "wanting to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large". When both presidents sit down and start to get into the nitty gritty of a plan it will turn to shit, that is unless the GC's accept what the TC's really want.

So what you are saying BigAl is that, what the TC's want from the GC's is what the TC's have today as a illegal "state", but want to get the GC's to make it a legal state. Just what do the GC's get out of this deal BigAl, other than 7% of their own land.??

Let me know when you see some pigs flying over Cyprus BigAl, so that we can all believe in miracles.

No probs, not that the GC's are in a position to dictate terms to TC's. But my point was the talks will fail, either during the negotiation stage or referendum stage, either way they will fail and that will give the TC's the momentum required to gain recognition.

[Kikapu]

Dont know what world you're living in old man, but most TC's will only accept unification if it means they administer the north (self rule), the turkish migrants stay, turkey maintains some troop presents there and turkey's guarantor power are protected.
I dont see how that translates to TC's "wanting to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large". When both presidents sit down and start to get into the nitty gritty of a plan it will turn to shit, that is unless the GC's accept what the TC's really want.

So what you are saying BigAl is that, what the TC's want from the GC's is what the TC's have today as a illegal "state", but want to get the GC's to make it a legal state. Just what do the GC's get out of this deal BigAl, other than 7% of their own land.??

Let me know when you see some pigs flying over Cyprus BigAl, so that we can all believe in miracles.

No probs, not that the GC's are in a position to dictate terms to TC's. But my point was the talks will fail, either during the negotiation stage or referendum stage, either way they will fail and that will give the TC's the momentum required to gain recognition.

Recognition........ NO, just because the talks collapse. Any idiot can make the talks fail if they thought they can get recognition at the end of it. This was a warning given to the GC's in 2004, as well as economic benefits to the TC's from the EU, and yet, it did not happen when the GC's said NO to the Annan Plan.

One thing you forget is, the GC's do control the legality of the north being part of Cyprus, a EU member, and the British have already said in the memorandum that Brown signed a month ago, that Cyprus can only remain as ONE COUNTRY and no other EU members are going to go against one of it's own, and the USA will not go against the UK and the EU, not to mention all other UN resolutions that will not allow a recognition to the north, and Russia will see to it, if in the future any new "trnc" recognition proposals are put in front of the UN security counsel will not pass.

The only thing the TC's have in the north in their favour at the moment, is the 40,000 Turkish Army. You throw in the RoC's EU veto vote over Turkey's EU acceptance plans, and that pretty much leaves the TC's with nothing to negotiate with, other than a Fair and Just peace for all Cypriots in a True Democracy under True Federation. Anything else, the answer will once again be a NO from the GC's, assuming of course, that there even be a referendum, because, I can assure you, that Christofias is not going to agree to put a referendum up for a vote, unless he can get a YES vote from the GC's, no matter what Talat does with the TC's. This is why Christofias, very cleverly, did not agree on any time frames as to when these talks end and a vote is taken. I would say, that it is up to the TC's to forget about the "pie in the sky dream" what the Annan Plan gave them, and start thinking as a Cypriot and find a common ground with the GC's and don't worry about what Turkey or the settlers want.

[Agios Ionas]

either way they will fail and that will give the TC's the momentum required to gain recognition.

You wish turanist! If the talks fail because of ridiculous claims made by Turkey/pan-Turkism TC's you'll never gain recognition.

You think the world will suddenly change overnight and by some miracle decide that stolen land is legally yours to keep?

Do you think the world will suddenly forget that the 34 year long occupation is illegal in itself?

Do you think the world will forget that you've been ignoring UN resolutions all these years?

Do you think the world will ignore that you've laughed the international community straight in the face by blatantly breaking article 49, paragraph 6, of the Fourth Geneva Convention?

This is considered a war crime my friend. This is strengthened in Article 85 of the 1977 Protocol I to the Fourth Geneva Convention, which stipulates that:

"...(4) In addition to the grave breaches defined in the preceding paragraphs and in the Conventions, the following shall be regarded as grave breaches of the Protocol, when committed wilfully and in violation of the Conventions or the Protocol:

(a) the transfer by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies"

Recognition? Don't think so!

[Jerry]

Dont know what world you're living in old man, but most TC's will only accept unification if it means they administer the north (self rule), the turkish migrants stay, turkey maintains some troop presents there and turkey's guarantor power are protected.
I dont see how that translates to TC's "wanting to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large". When both presidents sit down and start to get into the nitty gritty of a plan it will turn to shit, that is unless the GC's accept what the TC's really want.

So what you are saying BigAl is that, what the TC's want from the GC's is what the TC's have today as a illegal "state", but want to get the GC's to make it a legal state. Just what do the GC's get out of this deal BigAl, other than 7% of their own land.??

Let me know when you see some pigs flying over Cyprus BigAl, so that we can all believe in miracles.

No probs, not that the GC's are in a position to dictate terms to TC's. But my point was the talks will fail, either during the negotiation stage or referendum stage, either way they will fail and that will give the TC's the momentum required to gain recognition.

You may be right Bi Gal, but what price will Turkey be prepared to pay in order for its colony on Cyprus to be recognised. Bearing in mind Turkey's main ambition is to have a military base on the island rather than safeguard the interests of TCs and taking into account that recognition by the GCs is essential to universal recognition my guess is that they would settle for as little as 15% of the island to get a quick result. The GCs would find such a deal irresistable. Many TCs would then face the choice of staying where they are and become citizens of the ROC or they would have to move again. Turkey does not want Turkish Cypriots it wants part of Cyprus, it's fed up with paying to maintain your higher standard of living than that enjoyed by mainland Turks - the free ride is coming to an end - it's time face reality, do you want to prosper in the EU or see the living standards fall as a military outpost of Turkey.

[Paphitis]

Dont know what world you're living in old man, but most TC's will only accept unification if it means they administer the north (self rule), the turkish migrants stay, turkey maintains some troop presents there and turkey's guarantor power are protected.
I dont see how that translates to TC's "wanting to live in Cyprus as part of the indigenous population at large". When both presidents sit down and start to get into the nitty gritty of a plan it will turn to shit, that is unless the GC's accept what the TC's really want.

So what you are saying BigAl is that, what the TC's want from the GC's is what the TC's have today as a illegal "state", but want to get the GC's to make it a legal state. Just what do the GC's get out of this deal BigAl, other than 7% of their own land.??

Let me know when you see some pigs flying over Cyprus BigAl, so that we can all believe in miracles.

No probs, not that the GC's are in a position to dictate terms to TC's. But my point was the talks will fail, either during the negotiation stage or referendum stage, either way they will fail and that will give the TC's the momentum required to gain recognition.

I think you need to stop being so optimistic and accept reality. After 34 years of making no progress whatsoever, you need to come to grips with the fact that your self imposed isolation will continue for many more years to come. In fact, the "trnc" will never be recognised internationally. The UN resolutions stipulate that your existence is an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation and no nation will ever give you any form of recognition. You should know, being an Australian citizen, that Australia only recognises 1 entity in Cyprus and will always do so. If you do not believe me, then go and ask your local MP for an explanation of Australia's official policy on Cyprus.