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Postby Piratis » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:09 pm

cypezokyli wrote:good move.
all we need is turkey to sort out the AKP - army thingy, and by next year we will be done ..... finally :)


We will be done when Cypriots are given their freedom and self-determination and they are allowed to rule their own island in a democratic way and without racist discriminations and foreign armies.

Any agreement that will be the result of force and blackmail and not what Cypriots want for their own island will not be a solution but just another event in the chain of events of the Cyprus Problem.

I just hope that Cypriots will not make a mistake and accept somehting that will make our position worst and make it more difficult for us to continue our struggle for liberation. Any new agreement should be accepted only if, at the very least, makes our position stronger than it is now.
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Postby halil » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:28 pm

The two leaders undertook the final review of the work carried out by working groups and technical committees established to prepare the grounds for fully-fledged negotiations.

Reading out the joint statement at the end of the meeting, the UN Secretary General’s Special Representative for Cyprus Taye-Brook Zerihoun stressed that the aim of full-fledged negotiations is to find a mutually acceptable solution in Cyprus which will safeguard the fundamental and legitimate rights and interests of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots.

Mr Zerihoun also said that the agreed solution will be put to separate simultaneous referenda.

He also noted that, as a reflection of their heightened engagement, Talat and Christofias have agreed to establish a secure hotline to facilitate direct contact between them.

The two leaders also welcomed the appointment of Alexander Downer as the new UN Secretary-General’s Special Adviser for Cyprus.

In addition, they also instructed their special representatives to take up the issue of the Yesilirmak gate and other crossing points.

Regarding the work of technical committees, the two leaders approved 16 more measures in the areas of environment, cultural heritage, crisis management, crime and criminal matters, and gave instructions for their immediate and full implementation.
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Postby halil » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:44 pm

MARCH WAS STAGED AHEAD OF TALAT-CHRISTOFIAS MEETING
Some political parties and NGOs have staged a march in the capital just before the start of meeting betweenTurkish Cypriot leaderMehmet Ali Talat and Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofias.


The `Sovereignty March` which was called by the opposition Democrat Party was supported by some NGOs including the National People’s Movement(UHH) and the TMT Society.

The march started at the 10. Yil Park in the city centre from where the marchers walked to the Presidential Palace.

The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica talked to the marchers at the Palace.

Speaking at the event, the DP Leader Serdar Denktash said that they organized the march to remind the President of the Turkish Cypriot People’s sensitivity on sovereignty before his meeting with the Greek Cypriot Leader.

The DP Leader referred to President Talat’s words that he would not accept an agreement which did not include the Turkish Cypriot People as a source of sovereignty and said `Talat should make it clear at the negotiation table that the Turkish Cypriot People has sovereignty and that he could negotiate a solution only on this basis`.

Mr Ercakica responded to the DP Leader that all the efforts being waged are aimed at bringing about a solution which would be accepted by the Turkish Cypriot people.

For his part, UHH Leader Taner Etkin said gaps regarding the concepts of single sovereignty and single citizenship should be filled in.

He also expressed the view that the right of secession of states should be legally guaranteed in case of a possible solution to the Cyprus problem.

Also speaking, the President of TMT Yilmaz Bora defined the issues of single sovereignty and citizenship as ‘worrisome’.
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Postby cypezokyli » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:18 am

Piratis wrote:
cypezokyli wrote:good move.
all we need is turkey to sort out the AKP - army thingy, and by next year we will be done ..... finally :)


We will be done when Cypriots are given their freedom and self-determination and they are allowed to rule their own island in a democratic way and without racist discriminations and foreign armies.

Any agreement that will be the result of force and blackmail and not what Cypriots want for their own island will not be a solution but just another event in the chain of events of the Cyprus Problem.

I just hope that Cypriots will not make a mistake and accept somehting that will make our position worst and make it more difficult for us to continue our struggle for liberation. Any new agreement should be accepted only if, at the very least, makes our position stronger than it is now.


dont worry.
no blackmail will be involved, no arbitrations.
and the cypriots will decide democratically through referendums.

i mean.... you ve been talking the past years about democracy 24/7.... dont worry. its going to be a democratic decision
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Jul 26, 2008 10:59 am

They will worry all the way to hell. It looks as though the rejectionists are finally losing their grip. This is good news.
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Postby pantheman » Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:15 am

Bananiot wrote:They will worry all the way to hell. It looks as though the rejectionists are finally losing their grip. This is good news.


Re, we don't need to worry about anything, Turkey has nice put in all the red lines and she know too well we won't accept them. This is a failure in the making, a Turkish failure at that.

You can now sleep tight in the bosom of your beloved Turks and leave us GC people to deal with the situation in hand.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:17 am

Are you a rejectionist? I was referring to the rejectionists on both sides, idiot!
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Postby pantheman » Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:27 am

Bananiot wrote:Are you a rejectionist? I was referring to the rejectionists on both sides, idiot!


Sir, it is you who is the idiot. Blinded by you desire to hand over our country to the Turks at a drop of a hat. Your use of the term rejectionst has lost its appeal, why should the GC people accept just anything just to please the Turks, people like you and foreign powers?

No, you give us a fair, workable and valid solution and we will consider it.

Give us, what has been force fed us to date and you can stick it up your turkish arse.

Turkey is making sure these talk will fail, and you can sing the rejectionist tune all you like. Demands of 2 sovereignties, maintained military presence in large numbers, Guarantors rights for turkey to name a few. These are non negotiable terms being put to us. Now, let me ask you this, would you accept them?

if you were to answer no, would that also make you a rejectionist?

If you answer yes, well you will have really earned your title and you would not be worthy to call yourself GC. [edit: I should also have added, that I will wash my hands of you and you would truelly a lost cause]
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Postby Nikitas » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:29 pm

Mr Ercakica:

"He also expressed the view that the right of secession of states should be legally guaranteed in case of a possible solution to the Cyprus problem. "

See why TERRITORY is the number one vital issue? The secession is not an if possibility, it is the next move in the game by Turkey. Seceding with 18 per cent of territory is much different than seceding with 30 per cent.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:30 pm

Nikitas wrote:Mr Ercakica:

"He also expressed the view that the right of secession of states should be legally guaranteed in case of a possible solution to the Cyprus problem. "

See why TERRITORY is the number one vital issue? The secession is not an if possibility, it is the next move in the game by Turkey. Seceding with 18 per cent of territory is much different than seceding with 30 per cent.


This is why a True Federation would solve this problem as suppose to a Confederation with a weak central government.

I hope Bananiot is paying attention to the determined NeoPartitionist in what their aim has always been and still is.
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