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[davidp]

The debate about the sale and development of GC land in the occupied north rages on, but is it moving into a new dimension?

Page 2, column 1 para 5 of the Cyprus Weekly states and I quote.
'The Turkish Cypriot press, Kibrisi warned of possible "bloodshed and war" if Greek Cypriots encroach on Turkish Cypriot sovereignty'

[RAFAELLA]

The debate about the sale and development of GC land in the occupied north rages on, but is it moving into a new dimension?

Page 2, column 1 para 5 of the Cyprus Weekly states and I quote.
'The Turkish Cypriot press, Kibrisi warned of possible "bloodshed and war" if Greek Cypriots encroach on Turkish Cypriot sovereignty'

What Tc sovereignty? Such a think does not exist.
Regarding "blooshed & war", the only think that comes in my mind while reading "bloodshed & war" is turkish history

Ok, what might happen? Is the occupation army going to start attacking Gcs civilians? The European Gc civilians? Let them do it and see what will happen...

As I said the occupation regime felled in its own trap by opening the "borders" and now it's the time to face all the consequences...it's about time, after 30 years.

[turkkan]

rafaella, what they mean by bloodshed, is at first, you are going to get a good beating by the british here, then when you move on to us, you will face trouble from the home owners and organisations who are willing to provide them security. THat is what he meant by bloodshed, not goverment sponsored violence. ANyway its clearly exaggerated, things will have to become pretty serious before such organisations or individuals take action.

[Kifeas]

rafaella, what they mean by bloodshed, is at first, you are going to get a good beating by the british here, then when you move on to us, you will face trouble from the home owners and organisations who are willing to provide them security. THat is what he meant by bloodshed, not goverment sponsored violence. ANyway its clearly exaggerated, things will have to become pretty serious before such organisations or individuals take action.

Are you justifying or accepting what happens with GC properties in the north or what might happen against GCs, as legal and moral?

[Piratis]

is at first, you are going to get a good beating by the british here is at first, you are going to get a good beating by the british here

How are we going to get a beating exactly? Do you think that just the troubles that those people will have to go through will worth it for them? I believe the refugees should give a promise not to let those people relax even for a second. And thats the minimum for the short term, because in the long term those criminals that illegally now use our properties will have to face the consequences of their illegal actions.

then when you move on to us, you will face trouble from the home owners and organisations who are willing to provide them security.

Well, in return those people that act in illegal way will get the consequences. The short term consequences will be the usual ones plus some nice blocking of the EU prospects of Turkey. And in the long term, what is legal will be enforced, and the criminals punished.

[cannedmoose]

Truth is that it's yet another meaningless 'fire and brimstone' statement... one that the media on both sides in Cyprus excel at putting out on a relatively regular basis. If you took all of it to be truth, you'd think a war was coming tomorrow...

[turkkan]

Nothing will be done to turkey as she did not or will not to do anything, the act of a few indivuals is not turkeys fault so get that wet dream out of your mind.It is in our best interests for everyone to act civil here, and in your interest for such violence to occur, but at the end of the day they will happen. Personally you can do what you want with the british, i do not care, it does not affect us, they move someone else gets the house. THe number of israelis here are increasing by the month, what are you going to do take them to the European human rights court also?

Furthermore, when i say get a beating, i mean one or two people are going to get beatean up, nothing serious, and no it wont be worth their trouble, but is it worth the trouble of starting a fight in a club with the same reasoning.Its only natural to expect a reaction from someone who has just lost his investment, although it wont happen as we will compensate them. Thats all concerning the british. I really dont care what happens to them as long as they keep their bases in cyprus.


'Well, in return those people that act in illegal way will get the consequences. The short term consequences will be the usual ones plus some nice blocking of the EU prospects of Turkey. And in the long term, what is legal will be enforced, and the criminals punished.'

Turkeys EU prospects have been or more less blocked with the referendum in france and austria, we need further threats of blocking? Turkey will soon look realistically at the alternative relationship with the EU, which means economic only, and no sharing of domestic market or borders, or perhaps in the best case as last weeks economist published, a membership that has not got the same priveleges as the members do today, such as no free movement of people.That will apply to ukraine, and belarus also. With such a deal you dont get crap, so cut the EU threatning business because from the moment turkey has been told more or less from the beginning chances are, whatever you do, you wont get in, you lost that game.

[Viewpoint]

turkkan

THe number of israelis here are increasing by the month, what are you going to do take them to the European human rights court also?

In addittion to the heavy demand form Israelis new markets are being forged as we speak, the Arab investors and even the Russians are keen to invest in property that will boom in price over the next 5 years whether a solution is reached or not. The smell of financial gain fuels intricate and inventive business agreements which work to put up even more barriers up for your lawyers to try and bring down.
The issue of ownership is also being addressed by developers, the long term leasing issue being a front runner, so no foreigner is registered as the ultimate owner, then the TC owner (exchanged land) will have to be sued, which should aid relations.

So going to court for individual cases does not resolve the overall issue which at this rate will drag on for many years to come and maintain the current stalemate.

[Piratis]

Well, we let everybody know about the laws of this island. After that anybody can act in criminal ways and hope they will get away with it.

However when the day of punishment will come no excuses will be accepted.

[turkkan]

piratis, we will see, we will not go down with a fight.